Mmmh Stefano nemmeno io sono troppo d'accordo con te.
Hai fatto l'esempio di Cristiano Ronaldo...a parte che è arrivato al Real già da campione affermato, CR7 fa parte di una ristrettissima cerchia di fenomeni generazionali che uniscono a doti tecniche e/o atletiche fuori dal comune una mentalità ossessiva ancor più rara, che li rende gli unici a poter rendere sempre ai massimi livelli a prescindere dal contesto
Contesto che resta invece fondamentale per il 99,99% degli atleti, soprattutto durante gli anni dello sviluppo e agli inizi di carriera pro

Per toccare un argomento molto trendy su sto forum, se Cousins invece di passare quasi tutta la sua carriera a Sacramento fosse stato draftato dagli Spurs forse ora ne parleremmo in modi diversi
E molto probabilmente lo stesso discorso, a parti invertite, varrebbe ad esempio per Tony Parker

Ahahaha chiedo perdono, la colpa è mia che ho tirato in ballo il calcio per fare un esempio...è più facile per me spiegare un concetto così, il basket è molto più complesso e rischio solo di fare una figuraccia altrimnenti

Aspè, stavo per postare un pezzo di Jay King sulla ricostruzione del tiro di Langford, avrete visto le foto in cui si allenava con una racchetta da ping-pont legata alla mano sx



The Celtics’ process of remaking Romeo Langford’s shot is already underway

The ping-pong paddles normally stay upstairs, where the Celtics play table tennis. But Tuesday afternoon, a paddle was wrapped to first-round pick Romeo Langford’s left hand while he attempted short shots on the practice court. Assistant coach Scott Morrison quipped that Langford was preparing for a masterful opponent.

“We’ve got a big match lined up with Forrest Gump,” Morrison said, “so we’ve gotta keep him fresh with the paddle in his hand. It’s kind of like putting a basketball in the baby’s crib.”

Really, Langford has already started to remake a shaky jump shot. The 14th overall selection has been working with assistant coach Joe Mazzulla to shift his release point and force the thumb on his guide hand away from the basketball. The Celtics have wasted no time addressing Langford’s iffy form, a concern dating to his days as an Indiana high school superstar.

“I don’t know if it’s necessarily an issue,” Mazzulla said Wednesday afternoon. “You just have to ask yourself a question: Do you want to be a good shooter or do you want to be a great shooter over time? And what do you want your NBA career to look like?”

Langford has earned a reputation as a big-time scorer. After racking up more than 3,000 points in high school, the 6-foot-6 wing averaged 16.5 points per game during his lone season at Indiana despite playing through a torn ligament in his shooting thumb. His college numbers show off his scoring versatility. The half-court finishing leaderboard is normally dominated by big men, but Langford ranked in the 87th percentile of all players, according to Synergy Sports. He soaked up more than seven free-throw attempts per game and hit a solid 72.2 percent of those tries. Langford profiles as a three-level scorer if he can just figure out his outside shot, but that quest could define his career arc. Few wings thrive in the NBA without a consistent jumper.

Langford does not have one yet. As an Indiana freshman, he shot just 27.2 percent on almost four 3-point attempts per game. The thumb injury dragged down his numbers a bit, but the Celtics are under no illusion that they selected a sharpshooter late in the lottery. On draft night, head coach highlighted outside shooting as the most obvious area Langford needs to improve.

“I don’t think there’s any doubt that if you picked an area that he’s going to have to work on,” Stevens said, “that would be it.”

The Celtics have not shied away from drafting questionable shooters under Danny Ainge. Previous lottery picks and have emerged as valuable players in part by substantially improving their outside shots. Langford’s decent free-throw percentage — often a better predictor of NBA shooting than 3-point percentage — suggests that he at least has a foundation of touch.

Still, Mazzulla said the Celtics have been open with Langford about the flaws he needs to address. The 19-year-old had heard before about the questions with his shot but had previously stuck with the form he had used his entire life. As The Athletic’s Sam Vecenie noted in a scouting profile of Langford last fall, the wing hasn’t quite been a non-shooter, but his efficiency has been limited by a few issues.

When the Celtics recommended changes, Mazzulla said Langford “bought right in.”

“The key to changing anything is building a relationship and building trust,” Mazzulla said. “One thing Romeo has done a tremendous job with is he trusts the staff, he trusts what we’re trying to get accomplished with him. And I think that’s making things very easy – not easy, but he’s coachable. And it’s making what we’re trying to do happen a little faster.”

Because of offseason thumb surgery, Langford only recently returned to the court and has not yet been cleared for contact at Summer League practices, but that has not stopped the team from tweaking his shooting form. Mazzulla considers it critical for Langford to start the work this early so he can reap the benefits of it later.

“Absolutely,” Mazzulla said. “And not only to get the reps in but get the trust, get the comfort level, get the shot mechanics down. Some of the best shooters in this league, you’re always working on it, it’s never done. And you’re always perfecting it, you’re always building that muscle memory. So the quicker we can just get a foundation down as to what we want it to look like, and then just repping what that is, I think is going to help him a lot.”

The drill with the ping-pong paddle may look quirky, but it forces Langford to keep his left thumb off the ball during his shot. Too much pressure from that thumb on that ball can lead to a funky rotation while the shot’s in the air.
The Celtics also want Langford to eliminate a slight issue near the top of his form.

“He had a little hitch, brought it back a little bit too far,” Mazzulla said. “So we’re trying for him not to bring it back too far. Trying to get from point A to point B quicker and just get that release a little bit quicker. And just have a strong shot. In order to be a great shotmaker in this league you’ve gotta have a strong shot. You’ve gotta be able to shoot the ball. And that’s what we’re working on with him.”

The drills can be monotonous. While other players are preparing for Summer League games, Langford has been limited to non-contact work.

“It’s kind of boring,” he said, laughing, “just sitting around and watching them play.”

Still, Mazzulla said Langford bought into the changes immediately and has worked diligently on changing his shooting habits. The rookie may not be able to play in Summer League because of his recovering thumb, but he could still be setting the foundation for his NBA future.

“I think he can make shots, but to be a consistent, really good NBA 3-point shooter, these are the things that we have to do,” Mazzulla said. “And I think that will open up the lanes for him and it will open up his decision-making and I think he’ll be more well-rounded. I think there are certain things that are necessary in a jump shot and in the game of basketball itself that you have to have if you want to stay in this league for a long time. And you’ve gotta be able to be a consistent shotmaker.”

That’s the idea.

Messi da campione affermato al Barcellona in tante altre squadre avrebbe fatto un terzo di quello che ha fatto. Ma anche Fox è a Sacramento eppure i risaultati ripsetto al rpimo anno sono ben diversi. Ma tu parli di atleti normali, io ti parlo di gente di livello. Se uno è forte davvero, lo dimostra anche se è stato in un ambiente sbagliato. Se non si riprende vuol dire che poi nel momento in cui avrebbe dovuto dimostrare ad alti livelli il suo valore si scioglieva.

Bah sul fatto di messi e ronaldo lasciamo perdere, non voglio fare un confronto calcistico.
In ogni caso anche i campioni hanno bisogno dell’ambiente giusto, di quelli che gli danno fiducia.
Non pensare mai che uno diventa un campione se quell’ambiente non lo spinge a migliorarsi
Pensi che messi sarebbe messi se il barcellona non avesse creduto a lui a 15 anni, pensi che ronaldo sarebbe ronaldo se ferguson non lo avesso protetto e incoraggiato come un figlio..
Ti faccio 2 semplici esempi:
Curry non rendeva, gli warriors hanno creduto in lui e hanno ceduto la loro star per dare fiducia a quel ragazzino... ecco ora abbiamo un fenomeno.
Pirlo all’inter giocava fuori ruolo e non giocava bene, è andato al Milan e... uno dei registi più forti di tutti i tempi.

No mi spiace ma non mi convincete. Un campione ha bisogno dell'ambiente giusto per affinare le sue qualità ed esplodere, ma il talento emerge comunque. Curry all'inizio non ha reso anche per i molteplici problemi alle caviglie. E' vero che l'inter ha mangiato talenti a profusione, ma appunto appena sono anati via dall'ambiente hanno dimostrato di essere campioni..non si sono persi perchè sono stati nell'ambiente sbagliato. Pirlom Seedorf, Frey, Roberto Carlos cosa doveva dire? Eppure è tra i terzini più forti della storia. Vale anche il discorso opposto, Gabriel Barbosa era una pippa e ha continuato ad esserlo in altre squadre. Come Vampeta e Gresko. Cousins anche agli spurs non sarebbe diventato il top dei top per la testa che ha, Sacramento ha solo in parte colpa.

Oh ma fate davvero?

non sei più il ghepardo di un tempo.....una volta TI SARESTI INCAZZATO....

ragazzi ve lo dico da tifoso con 25 annni di curva alle spalle.

NO calcio please.non qua, non su discussioni di basket.

per pietà dalla summer league a ronaldo e messi(viva messi)

Eh secondo me dipende...anche l'arbitra Fernanda Colombo lo farebbe incazzare?

Tacko Fall's mobility is turning the heads of the Celtics coaches Bob Donnan - USA TODAY Sports
By: Justin Quinn | July 1, 2019 6:31 pm

Undrafted ex-UCF big man Tacko Fall has been turning heads in Boston — and not just because of his height.

Fall, known as much for his 7-foot-6-inch stature as his game, is sometimes expected to be a lumbering behemoth of a human being, and while compact cars and low ceilings may slow down the Senegalese center, he’s impressing the Boston Celtics’ coaching staff with his speed.

Said Boston assistant coach Scott Morrison, who will coach the team’s Las Vegas Summer League squad, of Fall’s nimbleness (per MassLive’s John Karalis):

“Everyone expected him to be real slow but he’s shown a mobility that we weren’t necessarily ready for … Even in the scrimmage we just had he beat some guys down the floor, caught the ball at the rim, kept the ball up and dunked. We’ve been real happy with him, he’s shown some toughness, and like everyone else on the roster here a real desire to learn and do the right thing so that makes it easier for the coaches.”

The former Knight credits offseason work for the improvements that have been garnering him second looks:

“A lot of people haven’t had the opportunity to see me up close,” he said. “They’ve seen me on TV here and there. But it’s a different experience once you see me live going up and down. My body and my conditioning, there’s a lot of things I’ve learned in the off-season that have helped me improve.”

His Summer League teammates are among those pleasantly surprised, such as soon-to-be second-year center , himself known for being a menace in the paint:

“Great player to go against … I’ll accept him blocking my shot, if anybody. Can’t run from 7’6”. But he’s been working hard too, he’s been grinding, picking things up, doing his best.”

Fall has a long way to go to sticking in the NBA, but with his current Exhibit-10 deal and recent development as a prospect, everything he needs to make that happen is coming together. A good showing in Las Vegas and persistent dedication and growth could see him become a bonafide NBA rookie before year’s end, should his post-Summer League G-League stint go similarly.

Elhadji Tacko Sereigne Diop Fall — his full name — understands the challenge and opportunity in front of him, and plans to take full advantage of it:

“It’s a great opportunity. I have to come in and prove every day that I deserve to be there … That’s what I have to do — every day come out and compete. Do everything the right way.”

tacko te vojo vedè schiaccià in faccia ad horford.

Ovviamente lo sapete già, cosa ve lo dico a fare, che Tacko è già il mio idolo !
E ci scommetto i maroni, pure di Bag (ancora triste per non aver firmato Rosco a suo tempo ) e dello Zio. E tu Damiano....non fingere che non sia già il tuo preferito
VAMOS TACKO! SPACCA!

i tuoi maroni sono più che salvi

SUPERTACKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

A quel che si legge, dunque, Tacko potrebbe avere una chance di strappare un two-way mentre a Romeo s'è deciso di cambiare la tecnica di tiro...d'altra parte se è scivolato alla 14...mettiamo alla voce "cantiere aperto"...ma poco male, secondo me l'uomo di cui abbiamo più bisogno per le lacune a roster è Granito Williams e la sua splendida voce da usignolo

Il two way di Tacko, immagino dipenderà molto dalla summer.
Relativamente la meccanica di tiro di Romeo.....sono perplesso.
Nel senso che è difficile re-impostare o correggere un fondamentale di quel tipo, in un ragazzo di 19 anni che gioca a basket da 14...(penso a Lonzo per citarne uno osceno).

Un conto è scrivere su una lavagna vuota, un altro e cancellare tutto od in parte quanto già scritto, per riscriverci sopra.
I risultati sono totalmente diversi.

Ho insegnato tennis ai ragazzini per un periodo, ed "impostare" quelli che non hanno mai preso una racchetta in mano è molto più semplice rispetto a quelli che hanno "imparato" col papà, e parliamo di bambini fra i 6 ed i 10 anni.

Speriamo bene.....