Che sia chiaro io non do contro i giocatori per le loro scelte legittime.
Sto semplicemente constatando che la lega si evolve verso una cosa ben diversa rispetto a quella a cui mi sono appassionato.

Mi piacevano le rivalità, mi piaceva il fatto che il lavoro dei GM avessero un certo peso... mentre ormai qui si è tutti amiconi senza un minimo di attributi, hanno più peso le interviste ai media, i social media e le amicizie tra giocatori stessi. Mi piaceva il fatto che ogni giocatore puntava a vincere ma allo stesso tempo a farsi pagare tutti i soldi che pensava di valere.

Non è una critica, ma semplicemente per come la lega si sta evolvendo... beh per me è un prodotto che lentamente sta perdendo di qualità, tutto qui.

Il giorno in cui nella NBA le squadre le costruiranno i giocatori (e ci siamo vicini), si giocheranno seriamente solo pochissime partite e si adotterà in tutta la lega uno stile di gioco tipo Harden&Rockets... beh allora forse sarà il giorno in cui perderò l'interesse.
O avrò interesse pari a quello che ho per l'ASG... ah già, è zero.

Davis o non Davis, Irving o non Irving, io me ne resto qua e tifo i Celtics... contento di avere Ainge come GM, contento di avere Brad come coach e contento di avere Smart come mio punto di riferimento in campo... in loro vedo il basket fatto di grinta e di competenza che mi è sempre piaciuto, sono felice abbastanza.

Le scelte sono tutte sempre e comunque legittime (finché rimangono entro i limiti della civiltà e del diritto chiaramente), figuriamoci per quanto riguarda decisioni personali sulle proprie carriere e le proprie vite, questo è almeno per me sacrosanto. Noi possiamo approvarle, non essere d'accordo o essere indifferenti.

Ciò che dà fastidio in questo momento sono le modalità in cui spesso queste scelte vengono prese, ovvero mancando pubblicamente di rispetto verso chi ti ha dato tanti soldi, un'opportunità, ha creduto in te e spesso ti ha dato anche sostegno ed affetto in momenti difficili. Oppure dichiarando cose non vere per rimangiarsele poi dopo poco tempo o ancora "cospirando" assieme ai propri amichetti non dando possibilità a coloro con i quali hai firmato un contratto di gestire la situazione in maniera appropriata.

Poi dispiace anche perché si tratta di coetanei, e perché comunque stanno cambiando un mondo che ti interessa e farti perdere entusiasmo anche per cose frivole e di svago non fa piacere. Il peggio è che rivedo poi queste cose nel mondo di tutti i giorni e in quel momento pensi anche, se la mia generazione è questa, che schifo dovrò affrontare nei prossimi anni?

Ora vediamoci la partita va'... che è meglio...

da più di qualche parte in USA danno per imminente il passaggio di Davis ai lakers

vediamo, dire che è una notte importante, più avantyi si va, meno speranze hanno.
oh certo che se gli danno kuzma, ingram, ball, un paio di gregari, due prime e s'ccollano pure il contratto di solomon hill, a me può anche stare bene.

intanto bernardoni la spara grossa.

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Super Teaming: Kyrie and KD in Boston?

The last few days have been a whirlwind for the NBA. The last few months have been a tornado. The last few years have been a hurricane. A combinations of forces, both intended and unintended, have conspired to create a new era where teams, players, and agents are all vying for the power to shape an ever-shifting slate of super teams.

Danny Ainge and the Celtics were in the vanguard of this movement with the double swoop for Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett in 2007. The few months preceding those transactions gave a peek at how the league would operate over the next decade plus.

All of the Timberwolves, Celtics, Lakers, Suns, and Garnett himself were using the media in a high stakes game of trade brinksmanship.

In the intervening years we've seen similar stories dominate the league. The Heatles in Miami. LeReturn to Cleveland. The KD Warriors. All were player-directed team builds meant to one-up the last monster squad that formed.

In the last two years we've seen shorter, richer, and more flexible contracts allow LeBron (again), Chris Paul, , Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, and Jimmy Butler (twice) to maneuver their way into a situation of somewhere between their choosing and their acceptance.

Until recently, the Celtics were perceived to be back at the forefront of this movement towards team/player partnership super teams. The expectation was that Boston had been gaming out an Irving-Anthony Davis team-up for a while and were well positioned to make that happen this summer.

Over the last week two major shifts have altered that perception. First, Davis made his move earlier and with more purpose than had been expected. It has been assumed that Boston's hope was that Davis would force the Pelicans' hand this summer by declining an extension, not mid-season by demanding a trade. Furthermore his agency, Klutch Sports (who are owned by LeBron's best friend and business partner but we're all supposed to believe LeBron has no stake in), have been leveraging their media connections to try to scare off other trade suitors or, at least, to convince the Pelicans that they've scare everyone else off.

Simultaneously, the Knicks cleared their salary decks as part of moving Kristaps Porzingis and suddenly the rumors that Durant and Irving had plans to team up in New York seemed a lot more realistic.

A way to look at this would be that Boston's seemingly big plan of pairing Irving and Davis no longer seemed ambitious enough. LeBron and Davis in Los Angeles with a big chunk of cap space is a higher wattage spotlight. Durant, Irving, and Zion Williamson (or maybe even Davis) in New York is every columnist's dream.

Maybe that's right, but not in the way the current conventional wisdom says.

If we're in the era of true super teams, why do we assume that Boston would stop at "only" Irving and Davis? If Durant and Irving have a long-standing desire to play together, why would they settle for doing it with a skeleton crew of teammates in New York?

League sources have told me that KD has expressed interest in joining the Celtics.

(I think I sufficiently buried the lede.)

If you take a step back, that shouldn't be a shock. It's generally believed that the Celtics were Durant's second choice in 2016 and more than a few observers feel that had the Warriors won the '16 title Durant would be a Celtic now. The Celtics would obviously be amenable to this too; Durant has long been the apple of Ainge's eye.

If KD and Kyrie really do want to team up, why would they shackle themselves to James Dolan when an alternative exists? While Boston can't create the cap space to sign Durant, and can't reasonably acquire him via sign-and-trade (receiving a player via S&T invokes a hard salary cap that they would be hard-pressed to get under), there is another way.

Chris Paul moved to Houston via trade by opting in to the last year of his contract, but only once he had brokered an agreement between the Rockets and Clippers. If Durant and Irving wanted to pair up in the best available situation, Durant could follow the same path via his $31.5M final year option. He would be taking a significant pay cut for next season but he's already shown a willingness to do that over his years with the Warriors.

Golden State would be loathe to participate, but if the other option that KD presented was staying in the West and teaming up with LeBron in Los Angeles they would have little choice.

To make this happen Boston would likely have to trade either or . Horford would have to opt-in but maybe he would agree if it meant landing in Golden State. He could not move there via sign-and-trade, but were he to opt out and choose to go to a different team that were themselves under the S&T hard cap, Boston could try to turn that into a multi-team S&T where they acquire KD.

A simpler construction would be to trade Hayward who, even if he doesn't get "back" this year would be a risk that the Warriors would have to take, knowing they would not have the financial flexibility to add a better Durant replacement. You can't squander seasons when you have Steph Curry.

There's no reason that the fun would have to stop there, particularly if Davis is still a Pelican beyond the trade deadline. LeBron, Bosh, and Paul all switched teams via orchestrated trades where their old team received relatively little. The Cavs received two late 1sts and two 2nds for the LeBron S&T. For Chris Paul, the Clippers received seven players headlined by Patrick Beverley and Lou Williams plus a 1st round pick. The point being that Boston would not have to give up much beyond Horford or Hayward (in particular if Hayward starts showing signs of recovering from his injury).

The team would still have almost all of the parts believed to headline an Anthony Davis offer. They could still pair or with and a bevy of quality draft picks to get Davis. KD-Kyrie-AD would be a super team anywhere, but having them on a squad that starts with something like Jaylen or Jayson, a now re-signed , and would take it to another level. You may even still have one of Horford, Hayward, or Smart, depending on other choices from both players and team.

Some will look at this as a pipe dream. The ravings of desperate fan. Is it really any more outlandish than Durant and Kyrie jumping to the Knicks or New Orleans giving in and trading Anthony Davis for Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma?

The most predictive theory of Danny AInge is that he's always thinking bigger than you expect. When everyone was reporting that KG was going to LA, he was finessing a super team being the scenes. When he made the trade for Isaiah Thomas it wasn't just to get Thomas, it was a move to start positioning for a double-max pitch to Kevin Durant. When that failed he didn't move on to , but Irving and (we think) Davis.

What if we were still underestimating his ambitions? What if the reason that the Lakers and Klutch are acting desperate is that they have a bad hand and so are desperate? What if the reason that the noise out of New York is not of a master plan but of frustration with Porzingis is because they don't have a master plan and were just frustrated with Porzingis?

Maybe the Lakers' bluff works, or they get called but hit an out card before the season ends. Maybe the Knicks do win the lottery and then go get Durant and Irving, or a dark horse emerges to take the super team mantle. The Celtics aren't out of this game though, and often have higher aims than we realize.

Vabbeh questa è ridicola. LE 4 squadre con cui Davis rifirmerebbe..Lakers Knicks Bucks e Clippers..Ma i bucks cosa c'entrano? dai...Se è vera è inutile continuare a cercarlo. Non ha senso prenderlo. Lui non arriva e Irving va via. Bisogna forzatamente ricominciare da Tatum Brown Rozier Gordon e Smart..consapevoli che il progetto titolo è naufragato per colpa di Kirye e di Davis che non vuole venire. Si ricomcia non da capo, ma da metà dell'opera. Se va tutto così, il titolo rimane un miraggio per i prossimi 2/3 anni, anche perchè non vado free agent che possano cambiarci la vita e sopratutto che vogliano venire da noi. Che Davis e Irving non siano con noi, risulta un grosso problema non solo per il loro talento, ma anche per la pubblicità negativa che ci tiriamo dietro.

Ormai sono rassegnato e me la sono messa via. Il problema grosso è che per me, ma posso tranquillamente sbagliare, le due operazioni sono legate a doppio filo. Se Davis non arriva, e non arriva, Irving è scontato che non arriva. Quello che ripeto, non riesco a capire è cosa sta trattenendo Danny dal cedere Irving..ok con il contratto che ha, ha poso mercato ma tanto così il titolo non arriva..per cui? A me sembra più che palese che Irving sta bluffando con Danny rendendolo "ottimista", quando a Davis starà dicnedo tutt'altro

Certo che se gli danno tutta quella roba e prendono Hill non possono prendere anche il secondo free agent a luglio..E come fanno a vincere il titolo solo con Lebron Davis e senza Kuzma Balle Ingram?

tu corri troppo con la testa e la fantasia, detto e ripetuto.

peraltro, chi se lo piglia irving in scadenza, promessosi a LA o NY?nessuno, indi ainge ha poco da fare specie di fronte ad eventuali, repentini, cambi di idee.

comunque oh un paio di giorni o poco più e sappiamo la prima parte della storia.se va ai lakerrs ce ne faremop una ragione, specie se li dissanguano, altrimenti poi, aspettiamo l'estate e la seconda parte della storia.

però da gioved in poi si parla di campo e solo campo che ste menate mi hanno stufato, e lo dico io che il mercato nba m'intriga un casino, per come è formulato.

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Se devo anche dire qualcosa su AD, dipende molto dal passare o meno la dead line; AD nel 2020 difficilmente potrà firmare con i lakers, che non penso che tengano lo spazio salariale disponibile per un ulteriore anno con LBJ 35enne.
Il pacchetto che Ainge può mettere sul piatto è interessante ma al momento povero di contratti (ricorderete come lessi la firma x 3.1M$ di Yabusele ... ) e probabilmente se AD non si muove prima Ainge potrebbe fare qualche operazione per accumulare contratti (l'ho già scritto penso 2000 volte ...) difficile ipotizzare S&T con Rozier o esercizi dell'opzione di AH finalizzati allo scambio (ha anche una trade kicker del 15% così come GH).
Insomma se passa la dead line ci sarà da divertirsi a giugno; nel nostro pacchetto Ainge farà di tutto perchè non ci sia Tatum e quello sarà il cuore della discussione. Purtroppo le nostre scelte vengono condizionate dal rendimento dei Clippers, mentre quella di Memphis rischia di diventare veramente buona perchè perde protezioni ogni anno, e pare la più appetibile.
Sui rumor di AD che non vuole andare ai Celtics perchè pensa che KI non rinnovi, mi pare una bufala colossale, perchè se AD va a Boston arriva proprio quando KI dovrebbe rinnovare, e quindi lo può vedere sul campo.
Sembrano rumor buttati ad arte dai lakers che pensano (giustamente) che l'unica finestra buona per prendere AD sia adesso (ed il primo che l'ha capito è Rich Paul) perchè più avanti c'è chi può offrire di più ed in FA 2020 non avranno nè l'appeal nè lo spazio salariale.

Adrian Wojnarowski
Danny Ainge has encouraged the Pelicans to wait until the offseason to negotiate with the Celtics. Boston remains determined to try and partner Anthony Davis with for long-term, but plans to pursue AD regardless of Irving's free agency plans, per sources.Adrian Wojnarowski ha aggiunto,


Lakers president Magic Johnson has New Orleans engaged in talks on Anthony Davis, but must still overcome significant support within the Pelicans organization to let Thursday's trade deadline expire with the All-Star remaining on the roster. Story on ESPN: https://es.pn/2WGeXtD

Some in Pelicans organization want to wait on Anthony Davis trade
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2592 ... avis-trade


The New Orleans Pelicans are engaging with the Los Angeles Lakers in talks on a trade for All-NBA star Anthony Davis, but president Magic Johnson must still overcome significant support within the Pelicans organization to let Thursday's deadline expire with Davis remaining on the roster, league sources told ESPN.

Set against Thursday's 3 PM ET trade deadline, this process has transformed into a high-stakes game of leverages, postures and bluffs among several organizations and Davis' agent, Rich Paul of Klutch Sports.

The Lakers are presently offering the Pelicans a package that includes forwards Brandon Ingram and Kyle Kuzma, guard Lonzo Ball and two first-round picks - as well as a willingness to absorb the remaining $12.7M on Solomon Hill's contract in the 2019-20 season, league sources told ESPN.

Johnson delivered the offers in multiple phone conversations with New Orleans GM Dell Demps on Monday, sources said. If nothing else, the Lakers have embarked on a more ambitious bid for Davis than they had made for Paul George and Kawhi Leonard in recent seasons, after those players asked for trades with a full year left on their contracts. The Lakers are fighting both the clock on Thursday's trade deadline and the Pelicans' ability to hold onto Davis into the offseason, when there could be several new and different scenarios available to them.

Paul seems to have made some inroads into tightening the trade market on the Pelicans, limiting what some rivals might be willing to offer based on the fear of losing Davis as a rental in 2020 free agency. Paul has worked to keep the process moving toward a perception of inevitability on Davis' preferred future destination, the Lakers, where he could join another Klutch client, LeBron James.

The Pelicans did learn on Monday of a new extended list of teams that Davis is willing to stay long-term upon getting traded, including the Milwaukee Bucks and Los Angeles Clippers, league sources said. Those teams have yet to make offers for Davis and likely don't have the assets to make a deal happen, league sources said.

Paul is providing the Pelicans with clear options beyond the Lakers, but there are questions being asked about the viability of those teams' ability to make compelling offers to the Pelicans. The New York Knicks were already on that extended list, although they were rejected in their offer of a package centered on Kristaps Porzingis prior to his trade to Dallas, league sources said.

New York has not re-engaged with New Orleans on Davis since the Porzingis trade on Tuesday, sources said. Absent from the new list are the Boston Celtics, league sources said. The Celtics are unable to trade for Davis until July 1 as long as is on the team's roster based on the fact that they both are under the provision of the Designated Rookie Extension.

Nevertheless, the Celtics remain determined to acquire Davis after the season and Celtics GM Danny Ainge has directly urged Demps to wait until the offseason when the Celtics have promised to be aggressive with their wealth of draft and player assets to try and acquire Davis, league sources said. Ainge is anxious to trade for Davis and pair him with Irving, sources said.

Boston's plan to pursue Davis remains unaffected by whatever decision Irving might make in summer free agency, league sources said. Irving, 26, had previously said he planned to re-sign with the Celtics in the summer but has recently wavered in public on that promise. While the Celtics can't be positive on Irving's forthcoming decision in July, they do remain confident that he'll choose to stay in Boston, sources said. The Celtics also believe that a deal for Davis would help solidify his confidence in re-signing with the organization, sources said.

Still, Davis' camp has been engaged in an aggressive campaign to push back on the possibility of the All-Star center's future in Boston, encouraging the Pelicans to do a deal with the Lakers or another preferred team prior to Boston getting the chance to become active in deal talks in the offseason. The best chance that Davis has to force his way to the Lakers is creating a level of chaos and uncertainty in the marketplace over Davis' privately stated wishes. The league's landscape is certainly feeling the tremors of Paul's and Davis' campaign.

For now, anyway, the Lakers pursuit has several factors working against it. As the Lakers elevate their offer, including more top young players and even more draft picks into the offer, they'll keep closing the gap. Until then, New Orleans is curious about whether the Celtics might include young star into an offseason trade along with a package of first-round picks, sources said.

The Celtics could have access to four first-round picks in the June draft. New Orleans has been determined that any deal that it does for Davis includes a young player returning to them who has the potential to become an All-NBA performer - a first, second or third team player, sources said. Also, the Pelicans could wait until the draft lottery in May, when they'll have a better idea when and how Boston's protected picks in deals with Philadelphia, Memphis and the Clippers could be conveyed in a deal with them.

Also, the Pelicans could risk improving their draft status and costing themselves an ability to get a higher pick in the draft by bringing back the core of young Lakers players. There's a real possibility that the Pelicans and Davis could agree on a limited playing schedule post-trade deadline, but that's still undetermined.

What's more, there's the possibility - although remote, with a likely 12.5 percent chance - that the Knicks could win the draft lottery and become a viable candidate for a trade. There are also always three and four-team trade scenarios that could open up new player and draft pick possibilities to the Pelicans in the offseason. The Pelicans have believed that whatever the Lakers bid is at the trade deadline will still be available to them in the offseason, sources said. Several rival GM's believe that New Orleans could use the Lakers final offer at the deadline as the baseline for future offers in the offseason.

Davis, who requested a trade a week ago through Paul, can't become a free agent until July of 2020. He has no plans to sign an extension with any team this summer, expecting to do so in July of 2020 when he can become a free agent. Davis informed the Pelicans that he wouldn't sign a five-year, $239M super max contract this summer, or next.

Ramona Shelburne
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In other words, this has been remarkably similar to discussions with San Antonio and Kawhi last summer