In fin dei conti la nostra stagione è stata decisa dalla vicenda Davis. Se non ci fosse stata la vicenda Davis, le cose sarebbero andate sicuramente in maniera diversa. Alla vicenda Davis è dovuto il problema che ha riguardato alcuni dei nostri, dettato dal timore di essere scambiati e magari dal pensiero di fare fuori Irving (confidando che, una volta andato lui, Davis di sicuro non sarebbe arrivato).

Noto che anche voi siete tutti persuasi che Ainge, a questo punto, dovrà fare una scelta, visto che ormai le due fazioni sembrano essere diventate incompatibili. Se Irving resta o meno, a mio parere, dipende da quello che Ainge ha in programma. Irving ha accusato l'ostracismo di alcuni e potrebbe certamente volere andare via, ma forse soltanto nel caso in cui Ainge preferisse non puntare su di lui.

Curiosamente, qualora per assurdo nella prossima stagione la squadra rimanesse la stessa di quest'anno, io sarei quasi pronto a scommettere che i risultati sarebbero diversi. Venendo meno la vicenda Davis, anche i dissapori potrebbero svanire, sempre che quanto successo quest'anno non abbia lasciato troppe ferite.

per me rimanere come lo scorso anno sarebbe la cosa peggiore e non succederà, ainge stesso ha ammesso di aver creduto che i dissapori, la mancanza di chimica sarebbero stati risolti in corso, e probabilmente un'altra cosa che gli si può imputare è di non aver capito che non sarebbe stato cos e magari mosso qualche cosa.

noi però siamo i celtics, non i cavs, a me pare che kyrie sia stato un oggetto estraneo alla squadra e mi pare che adesso resterebbe da noi eventualmente solo se gli costruissimo la squadra intorno.

probabilmente per leadership lui intende questo, ha preso solo la parte più negativa del modello lebron che ha avuto a cleveland.

per me è no.se invece sarà si immagino che torniamo al discorso di cui sopra.rosa funzionale ad irving(e davis) patti chiari, gerarchie stabilite.

attenzione che in caso di sbarco di durant e irving in coppia ai nets, non possa ritornare calda la pista per davis, anche senza irving, se mi leggete sapete che cambio idea ogni giorno ormai(anche perchè gli scenari sono infiniti...).

stasera mi è balenata l'idea che si possa puntare a davis senza irving.

altrimenti rischia veramente di andare ai lakers....e se aggiungono un butler......sono da battaglia o quasi.
quindi che fare....
ENIGMA....

Credo che rimanere uguali sia praticamente impossibile.

Se è vero che ci sono stati tutti questi problemi nello spogliatoio e chi ne era parte ha la possibilità di cambiare aria e non lo fa mi preoccuperebbe parecchio. Sia per il fatto che gli offrono un contratto (non per s&t), sia per il fatto che a quel punto cosa fa il giocatore? Si rimette in una situazione scomoda?

Mannix: Cs not " taking their foot off the gas" in pursuit of AD


's future with the Boston Celtics be damned, if reports are to be believed, Danny Ainge and the Boston Celtics plan to maintain their pursuit of star big man Anthony Davis just the same.



Let me just start out this article with the caveat that almost everything you read from now until the middle of July at the soonest regarding player movement needs to be taken with a sea of salt. That out of the way, it seems one of several things is happening here:
Danny and co. are trying their damndest to retain Kyrie, and are letting him know in a very public way that he'd be better off trying to make it work in Boston, and are willing to take big risks in the hopes that last season was an anomaly.
Ainge et al. have an entirely different plan in mind regarding who they might pair Davis with, should they actually pull the trigger on an AD deal.
There is yet another plan in mind, and all of this is largely smoke screen being used as cover.
I ranked the three potential outcomes (assuming this is good intel, and Mannix has a solid tie to the Cs' front office and is known fan of the team, so I have no reason to doubt he's actually hearing this, even if it may not be true) in order of plausibility, with Occam's razor suggesting Danny's ready to try and make the big move now, perhaps a bit too late. I'm sure there's other motives I've not thought of, feel free to suggest your own below in the comments.

Should Ainge actually make the deal, locals seem to have feelings on who they think David Griffin and Gayle Benson might want, and while it'd certainly sting terribly, IF there's a bonafide second All-Star (or nearly so) player being added to the mix -- Irving, perhaps, but maybe someone we're not even thinking of -- it's a deal I could live with.




https://twitter.com/FletcherWDSU/status ... f-gas.html





The problem being we don't actually know the details, and I'm not going to get excited about the potential of flushing the vast majority of quality contracts down the toilet in pursuit of a one-year rental. Yes, we had to make big adjustments last time Boston traded for a pair of stars, but these players have so much more potential than even the centerpiece of the Kevin Garnett deal, Al Jefferson.

The proposed package of , , and the 14th pick would save a core good enough to compete if we brought back most current and potential free agents, but could just as easily turn into yet another debacle of even greater proportions. I do not envy Danny's job at moments like this - so many years of work can be dashed by the mercurial dispositions and aspirations of others.

Rumors roundup: , Anthony Davis, Kawhi Leonard

NBA free agency and trade rumors involving the Boston Celtics

By Jeff Clark@celticsblog Jun 7, 2019

Another day, another round of offseason rumors to cover.

Chris Mannix of SI is still reporting that the Celtics are focused on Anthony Davis. (via Yahoo)

“From what I understand, they’re not going to take their foot off the gas when it comes to pursuing Anthony Davis,” Mannix said.

He goes on to report that the Celtics seem to have been close to a Kawhi Leonard deal a year ago, if only they had been willing to part with .

“I do know that there is some regret with some people in the Celtics organization about not pulling the trigger on a Kawhi Leonard deal,” Mannix said. “They could have made a deal for him involving and , or at least with Brown as the centerpiece.”

Finally, the latest talking heads talking about leaving the Celtics for the Nets.

"The interest in Brooklyn is real from Kyrie, that's been known for a long time. And I have a source that tells me Kyrie is trying to pursue Kevin Durant. He has reached out to KD and tried to persuade him [to come to the Nets]." — @criscarter80

I’m sure we’ll have another round of rumors tomorrow and the next day and for the next month or so. Enjoy!

Your Morning Dump... Where Kyrie is serious about the Nets and the Pelicans covet Tatum
By: Rich Jensen | June 7, 2019

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So that’s an interesting development, eh? But let’s take a moment or two to unpack it. First off, the Nets haven’t burned their ships* yet. They’ve only got room for two max players if they renounce D’Angelo Russell. Couple that with Steve Bulpett’s report a couple weeks ago saying that he had confirmed that two teams were looking at only as a contingency target–that is, they were going to go after Kyrie only if they land the big fish, and then only if the big fish wants to play with Kyrie.

Obviously, the Nets’ priority targets are KD and/or Kawhi, and it seems almost a foregone conclusion that they’ll have to land one of them before they’ll renounce Russell and go after Kyrie. I don’t believe that Kyrie is their primary target. I don’t think Kyrie is anybody’s primary target apart outside of Boston.

So, this boils down to a few possible scenarios–I’ve used “KD” as a stand-in for either KD or Kawhi, because I think KD is by far the more likely player to relocate:

Kyrie and KD already have an agreement between themselves to join the Nets. I consider this to be the least likely scenario. It requires too much in the way of fortunate coincidences. That is, in order for Kyrie and KD to team up (1) their contracts would have to sync, (2) they’d have to have already identified a team that would have space for 2 max players that (3) they both wanted to play for, and (4) this all would probably have to be arranged before the 2018/19 season started. The Nets know they have KD, and know they have Kyrie. A slight variation of the above–and slightly more plausible. This presupposes that a perceptive Brooklyn front office has quietly reached out to both KD and Kyrie through various intermediaries (yes, that’s against league rules, but it’s about as well enforced as going 32 in a 30MPH zone). I consider this to be rather improbable as well. Why? Because I don’t think KD has decided where he’s going to go yet. The Nets know they have Kyrie and think they have KD. Slightly more possible than the Nets having firm commitments from both KD and Kyrie, but still not one I’d consider probable. In the first place, I have doubts that the Nets have made Kyrie a priority. And I don’t think they want to be saddled with a max contract Kyrie and little else. This Nets team + Kyrie is a second round exiting dud. So, as far as that goes, I don’t think that the Nets have done anything other than equivocate with Kyrie’s people, if they’ve reached out to Brooklyn. Kyrie hasn’t made up his mind yet. This, I think, is where things stand. I don’t think the Nets have committed to Kyrie. I think the Nets are banking on Kyrie still being available after they land whatever big fish they’re aiming for. And this, I think, is why Boston’s got the inside track to retain Kyrie. Boston wants Kyrie, period. No other team in the NBA seems to be that interested in him. Now this may be an indication that Boston’s front office is stupid–or it may be an indication that they know more about the situations that went on last season than we do.
So, then, why did the Nets pull the trigger on that trade yesterday? Did they have some clandestine meeting with Kyrie while he was in New York? Sure. It’s possible. But, that, again, implies some improbable circumstances:

The Nets and the Hawks had already the framework of this trade in place, and they were keeping it on ice until the Nets met with Kyrie. That’s not how front offices work. You’re not going to tell the Hawks GM that you need to meet with Kyrie before you pull the trigger on the trade, because you don’t share that kind of information. And if you’re the Hawks, you don’t negotiate a deal with the Nets and then give them a long window of time in which they can back out of the deal. The Nets were not negotiating from a position of strength here. The Nets and Hawks agreed on the trade after Kyrie committed to the Nets. This is rather improbable because the Nets still have D’Angelo Russell. If they had a commitment from Kyrie—if they had committed to Kyrie—D’Angelo’s gone. The Hawks can absorb both Crabbe and Russell’s salaries, and would likely have taken Russell off Brooklyn’s hands for nothing more than a heavily protected second-rounder (because the Hawks would renounce Russell immediately on July 1, thus they’d only have to carry his cap hold for a few weeks).
I’m not going to get into the question about whether or not the Celtics are better off without Kyrie on the team. That’s not a question that any sensible person would ask.

I still think that Kyrie’s most likely going to re-sign with Boston. I don’t put an ounce of stock in this ‘homecoming’ narrative–and jeez-louise, the New York City metro has dang near 24 million people in it. What ‘home’ would he be coming back to? Living somewhere in Manhattan or Brooklyn or way out in the Hamptons would bring back all his childhood memories of living in Jersey? Please. That narrative leaks like a sieve.

*”Stout Cortez” did not actually burn his ships after landing in Mexico. He scuttled them. Also, he was not the first Spaniard to see the Pacific Ocean, Balboa was.

Page 2: Where the Pelicans covet
We’ll overlook David Griffin’s blatant violation of the 10th commandment and focus on the particulars.

First off, would Boston trade Tatum and Smart for only a single guaranteed year of Anthony Davis?

Let’s start by assuming that AD and Kawhi are players of equal value. Then, let’s assume that the Raptors/Spurs trade was a fair one.

The Raptors sent DeMar DeRozan and a pick to the Spurs for one year of Kawhi Leonard. Now the question is what Celtics’ player or players would be comparable to DeMar DeRozan.

Consider also that AD’s agent desperately wants AD to go to Lakers, whereas Kawhi has only been tenuously linked to the LA market. Meaning Boston is taking a bigger gamble on re-signing AD than Toronto took on re-signing Kawhi.

Frankly, I think Tatum+Smart+Memphis pick is a serious overpay for Davis. I don’t think AD is enough of his own man to overrule Rich Paul’s fixation on LeBron. Tatum, salary filler from the back end of the roster, and the Celtics’ pick this year is the most I’d give up for Davis, and even with that, I’d be hesitant to pull the trigger because of just how big a flake Rich Paul is.

Ma non ho capito, intendi che ci sia stata una fronda anti-Irving dei giovani? Per forzarlo all'uscita, evitare l'arrivo di Davis a Boston e la loro conseguente partenza per Nola?
Ma guarda che proprio perchè giovani questi in una franchigia che può dargli minuti e possessi illimitati non dico ci vadano di corsa, ma non sarebbe certo una prospettiva tragica come per un 30enne con ambizioni di titolo.
E comunque per Kyrie da Ainge dipende ben poco ormai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzQJOvKSQsI

Se posso, leadership tecnica non necessariamente va di pari passo con leadership morale/caratteriale o come vogliamo chiamarla.
Io non rimprovero ad Irving di essere stato un cattivo leader, proprio perchè non credo fosse nè nelle sue corde nè suoi compiti. Forse per una serie di motivi (vuoto di potere/ pressioni esterne/ego smisurato/scollegamento dalla realtà...?) si è sentito investito di quel ruolo, e quello che mi domando è: qualcuno gli ha chiesto di essere leader in campo E nello spogliatoio? Dov'erano coloro i quali in passato hanno dimostrato, almeno in parte, di avere doti di leadership positiva (Horford, Smart, forse Baynes)? Di fronte ad una squadra che si è rivelata presto disfunzionale e fragile caratterialmente, il coaching staff è intervenuto? Se sì, in che modo? E il front office?

Non ce l'ho con te chiaramente, ma continuo a leggere e sentire, anche da parte di giornalisti famosi, di come Kyrie abbia fallito come leader eccetera eccetera...Mi chiedo invece se, all'interno dell'organizzazione, chi di dovere abbia fatto il possibile per neutralizzare i (francamente prevedibili) effetti deteriori e infine autodistruttivi a cui avrebbe portato un gruppo nel quale Irving ha potuto esercitare un'influenza sproporzionata.

E mi auguro che un'attenta analisi delle dinamiche di spogliatoio e del rapporto tra giocatori e coaching staff/FO sia la priorità numero uno in questo momento a Boston, ben prima di questioni prettamente tecniche

Ma quale sarebbe stato sto fantomatico package per Leonard con Brown as the centrepiece?
Entrambe over the cap, se non aggiungi Horford o Hayward (intradabile) come facevano a far quadrare i conti?

Era palese. Non per parlare sempre male di lui, ma Irving gli avrà passato 3 palloni in tutta la stagione. E anche i giovani dava l'idea che mal sopportassero di ridistribuire minutaggio e possessi con Hayward.
E mi sa anche che si potrebbe andare su un terreno scivoloso e politicamente scorretto...

Allora,per fare chiarezza.....
Se vogliamo parlare di leadership esclusivamente tecnica ,secondo te ha svolto bene il suo lavoro?
Per me ha toppato, sia fuori che sul parquet.
Di sicuro le colpe non sono solo sue,ma chi poi pretende il supermax deve rendere da supermax,o no?
E' come se ti sposi con Belen ma poi ti accorgi che e' Gegia....
Anche sul fatto dell'opinione bene pubblica o i giornalisti secondo te chi prendono come esempio di un'annata andata storta o ??
Quando vieni investito dal FO e dalla proprietà di questa responsabilità devi prenderti il bene e il male....

No dai non dirle nemmeno per scherzo certe cose!

Come dice il gatto che si lecca il culo "ogni gusto è un gusto".... ma quello sarebbe veramente un fallimento conclamato (come quello di Ainge per intenderci).

E non sarebbe solo un problema tecnico o di leadership....

Assolutamente d'accordo con BAG.
Al di là del discorso leader o non leader, restiamo al campo che basta e avanza.
Andate a rivedervi gara 3, 4 e 5 vs Bucks, guardate che ci sono situazioni da mettergli le mani al collo eh! E non parlo solo delle solite merdose triple in transizione con 15 secondi sul cronometro!
Poi, dopo aver fatto tipo 7 su 30, vai pure davanti ai microfoni a dire che dovevi prenderti più tiri?
.......PAIAZZO!

Your Morning Dump… Where potential Kyrie replacements are ‘serviceable’ © Bob DeChiara-USA TODAY Sports
By: Mike Dynon | June 8, 2019

Every morning, we compile the links of the day and dump them here… highlighting the big story line. Because there’s nothing quite as satisfying as a good morning dump.

If you are looking for another high-caliber, star-studded point guard to swoop in and take over, prepare to be disappointed.

That’s just not happening, folks.

However, there are a number of serviceable playmakers that the Celtics could make a run at who maybe won’t dominate the game like Irving did, but they do enough good things to make acquiring them a positive.

NBC Sports Boston: If walks, the Celtics should turn to these point guards

We’ve been talking about Kyrie’s contract for what seems like forever. June 30 can’t come fast enough.

And if he walks, apparently the best we can hope for is a “serviceable” replacement, names that don’t really raise our hopes of winning a title soon. Ricky Rubio is decent, but he’s no All-Star. It would be cool to get Isaiah Thomas back, but after his injury struggles of the past two years, he probably won’t be the same Little Guy who won our hearts. Patrick Beverly is a bulldog, but is he putting your team over the top? And how many Celtics fans ever again want to see in green?

None of them can match Kyrie’s talent, and that’s true despite how bad he was in the playoffs. The best we can say is, “Well, they didn’t win with Kyrie, maybe they could win with less talent but better balance.” (Is that enough spin for ya?)

I’ve held fast to the belief that Kyrie would stay in Boston, but with Woj recently reporting otherwise, it’s definitely getting harder to remain optimistic. If Kyrie already knows what he wants to do, I wish he’d just come out with it, so we can all move on, one way or the other.

Related – Herald: Celtics’ hopes fade as Brooklyn gets a lot closer | Boston Sports Journal: Exploring potential point guard trade targets if Kyrie walks

On Page 2: More hindsight
The Boston Celtics had an opportunity to trade for then-San Antonio Spurs superstar Kawhi Leonard according to multiple reports, but opted not to at the time because the Spurs insisted on the inclusion of in the trade in addition to picks, according to Sports Illustrated’s Chris Mannix.

On his podcast, Mannix said some members of the Celtics organization have “some regret” about not pulling the trigger on a deal which would have included Brown, picks and perhaps . Instead, the Raptors swooped in with a deal built around DeMar DeRozan, sending the centerpiece to the Eastern Conference champions across the border.

MassLive: Boston Celtics rumors: Some members of organization regret not trading for Kawhi Leonard (report)

We’ve got to stop rehashing last year’s Kawhi situation. We did it just two weeks ago, and it didn’t make sense then or now. The fact remains that a year ago at this time, all signs were that the Celtics shouldn’t give up their future for possibly just one season of Kawhi.

It’s easy to have “some regret” now in hindsight, especially with Kawhi’s Raptors just one win away from the NBA title. They went all in and it’s paying off. But they’re also lucky that the Warriors are missing the guy who happened to win Finals MVP the past two years. Timing is everything.

The one positive (for some of us) that could come from “some regret” is that it might make the Celtics more willing to go all in on Anthony Davis.

5. Are the Celtics content with being a non-contender with no clear cut path back to the top for the next year or two? If the Celtics decline to trade for Davis while losing Irving and Horford, that’s the indication that they will be sending to the fan base. Given how championship-driven this franchise has been during Wyc Grousbeck’s tenure as owner, it’s hard to envision the team settling on this route. Building around the young core (Tatum, Brown, Smart) is a fine option but those guys aren’t going to be able to take down Milwaukee or Toronto anytime soon (assuming Kawhi Leonard sticks around). Betting on being able to keep Davis is a risky proposition but there’s also plenty of risk involved in taking a step back. There’s certainly a higher floor in that route but the ceiling is lower too, barring rapid development by Brown and Tatum in All-Stars. A one year chance of contending with Davis (with the possibility he will stay) may be the more appealing path for the front office. We’ll find out in the weeks to come.

Boston Sports Journal: Five pressing questions for the Celtics surrounding a potential Anthony Davis trade

We’re all sick of talking about this. Again, June 30 can’t come fast enough.

And, finally… He’s from St. Louis
It sucks that the Bruins are on the brink of being eliminated from the Stanley Cup Finals, but at least Tatum will be happy if the Blues win it. Game 6 is Sunday at 8 p.m. Eastern.

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Now that we all believe Kyrie is gone, he will announce his return to the Celtics on July 1 from a Taoist monastery in Central Asia via the Amber Alert system