A maggior ragione. Il solo pensarci (visto che serve pure aggiungere 5-6 milioni di roba per pareggiare i contratti) sarebbe il primo segnale di demenza senile in arrivo per Ainge

se così fosse, ossia si potessero inserire giocatori firmati con S & T, in una trade multipla, con più giocatori scambiati, le cose cambierebbero un po'.

nel senso che il discorso sull'aggiungere contratti per raggiungere i 18 milioni per leonard lo aggiri, era un dubbio che mi portavo dietro da un po'.....e che permane, purtroppo....

resto tutto il resto delle eccezioni fatte e l'alta improbabilità che ciò accada.

se poi qualcuno avesse certezze in materia, ancora meglio.

ps. peraltro...... A S&T can include other players, but Smart would be subject to Base Year Compensation rules so if you're thinking of signing him for $12M in an S%T, he would only count as $6M in outgoing salary. This, and the fact that free agents generally want to be able to pick where they land, is why S&T rarely works out as being a make-weight in a trade. They're either the primary target in the trade, or it doesn't happen.

Ma siamo così sicuri che Danny sia pronto a fare follie per KL ? Sia ben chiaro, a me piace molto ma vale poi quanto SA vorrebbe chiedere ? Lo so, a me oltre che il bel basket piacciono molto le statistiche e non mi pare che Leonard valga sacrifici “esagerati” al 3o anno di Nba non aveva ancora le cifre che Brown ha avuto al suo secondo anno. Un quarto anno decente, ma non da superstar (cifre solo leggermente migliori di quelle di Brown al 2o anno),due buonissime annate e l’ultimo anno perso completamente. Stiamo parlando di un giocatore da 16 punti e 6,5 rimbalzi in 7 anni in NBA. Personalmente io più di Morris (a malincuore) e Smart o Rozier + un uomo da fondo rotazione non darei. Poi, per i calcoli salariali lascio fare a Pagliardo, ma se non ci rientriamo nelle cifre...lasciamo perdere. Sempre a mio modestissimo avviso, i nostri devono dedicarsi unicamente al ragazzo dei Pelicans, perché di star sul mercato c’è solo lui.

l'opinione di Bernardoni
https://www.dangerc.art/blog/how-the-celtics-can-build-a-super-duper-team

Continuo a essere di questa idea. Qualche aggiustamento e nulla più.

pacchetto phila
fultz, covington, saric, prima

pacchetto lakers
ingram(o ball), kuzma, deng, prima

pacchetto celtics 1
rozier, smart, morris prima

pacchetto celtics 2
brown smart morris prima

pacchetto celtics 3:
irving prima

giochiamo, tanto abbiamo ancora qualche giorno per cianciare a vuoto.

https://www.getmoresports.com/sheridan-next-destination-kawhi-leonard-handicapping-field/


Potential Teams for Kawhi Leonard
So with that historical take and that cautionary guidance in mind, let’s take a look at the field of options from the often whimsical media standpoint as well as from the perspective of the guys that often know much more than the writers do, the oddsmakers:

BOSTON CELTICS (+200) – It ain’t easy making a trade with Danny Ainge, cuz he likes adding carcasses to his kill list. See King, Billy (Pierce/Garnett for three No. 1 picks) and Colangelo, Bryan (Markelle Fultz/Jayson Tatum fleecing). Salary-cap wise, this deal is difficult to make unless is going out, but the fact that Kyrie is not committing to an extension, and is talking up the idea of going to the Knicks as a free agent, is impacting his career locale sustainability in Boston. Nobody wants a rental, but Pop is tight with people who are tight with Mike Krzyzewski, Kyrie’s college coach, and that counts for something. If Ainge does not want to let Irving go, let’s just say that showed his mettle in the postseason, and the Spurs have a mild point guard issue. You may recall that Derrick White logged postseason minutes for them in the first round against Golden State.

PHILADELPHIA 76ERS (+300) – If Bryan Colangelo was still in Philadelphia, we would have these guys listed at even money. A package including Robert Covington, Dario Saric, a point guard (Markelle Fultz or T.J. McConnell) and some of the Sixers’ six 2018 draft picks (two in the first round, four in the second round) might have been more than enough, and also would have allowed the Sixers to make the deal and then re-sign free agents Ersan Ilyasova, Marco Belinelli and J.J. Redick while going over the salary cap but staying under the luxury tax/hard cap apron. Heck, that still may be Plan A if LeBron does not include Philly on the teams he will grant meetings with. So stay tuned. The Sixers are reportedly looking to move up into the top 5 on draft night, presumably to get Luka Doncic, whose stock has fallen slightly recently.

SAN ANTONIO SPURS (+500) – File this possibility under two categories: The money theory; and the LaMarcus Aldridge theory. First things first: The Almighty Dollar. If Leonard and Popovich somehow have a sitdown and patch things up, there are 219 million reasons for him to stay in San Antonio, as he is eligible for a super-max extension this summer. At the end of the day, reasonable people do not leaves tens of millions of dollars on the table. Second, everyone was looking at possible trade destinations for Aldridge last summer and fall before a meeting of the minds was held, reason prevailed and Aldridge went on to be the anchor of another pretty good Spurs team. Bottom line…never discount how much money matters, and how reason can trump emotion if the stars and sentiments are properly aligned.

LOS ANGELES LAKERS (+1200) – If you think Buford is going to take back Luol Deng in a trade, then Peter Holt has a 37-year-old fixer-upper at his Caterpillar dealership that he would like you to take a look at. But here is the thing, as pointed out in a terrific column by capologist/journalist extraordinaire Eric Pincus: The Lakers do not necessarily have to include Deng in a deal, and there is a scenario under which they can bring in Leonard, LeBron James and Paul George, then rebuild from there. A three-team trade that lands Deng in Atlanta is doable because the Hawks are all-in on tanking the 2018-19 season to have two lottery picks, their own and the one owed to them by the post-LeBron Cavs, although it has top-10 protection. Still, no matter how persuasive Rob Pelinka and Magic Johnson and even Kobe Bryant might be, the “No way is it L.A.” dynamic is in play.

PHOENIX SUNS (+1500) – A rumor came out Saturday (and nothing spells ComScore traffic quite like rumor journalism) that the Suns were willing to trade the first pick in the draft in a Kawhi deal, which would presumably allow them to build around a Big 3 of Leonard, Devin Booker and Josh Jackson. Not the worst idea in the history of ideas. This, of course, would take them out of the mix for DeAndre Ayton, the presumed No. 1 pick in the draft who attended the University of Arizona and wants to play for the Suns. New coach Igor Kokoskov has been around the league a long time since leaving Yugoslavia as a young man, and the Suns are sort of desperate to end an eight-year playoff drought. There are worse places to live than Phoenix (except in the summertime).

LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS (+2000) – There are plenty of expendable assets here, a list that includes but is not exclusive to DeAndre Jordan, Tobias Harris and the Nos. 12 and 13 picks in Thursday’s draft. The “preferred destination” thing is relevant, too, because as abhorrent of an idea as it is for Popovich/Buford to send Leonard to the Lakers, the Clippers are a different animal. Lawrence Frank is no dummy, and he works for an owner, Steve Ballmer, who was reveling in the relevancy he was enjoying back when Blake Griffin was relevant. And in case you didn’t know it, the owners are the guys driving the bus in just about every NBA city. Holt is one of the few exceptions, which is one of the primary reasons why the Spurs are a winning team year after year after year after year.

FIELD (+150) – Plenty of options to pick from when assessing the rest of the Association. And I can tell you one thing, the sharp money when playing this fun prop will be taking the field. Actually, the wiseguys will take these odds from BetDSI.eu, compare against the rest of the market and find drastic differences that create massive value.

DALLAS MAVERICKS – From what I am hearing, their top target will be DeMarcus Cousins, but the Pelicans can make that desire moot if they max out Boogie and hope that his Achilles injury does not stunt his career the way the same injury did to Elton Brand . The Mavs and Spurs are in-state rivals, which is a factor that comes into play, but Mark Cuban has assets — Harrison Barnes, Dennis Smith Jr., the No. 5 pick in Thursday’s draft — that could factor into some sort of a three-way deal … or a deal in which Leonard is sent to an Eastern team, then is re-traded to a Western team.

MILWAUKEE BUCKS – If Popovich/Buford are dead-set on sending Leonard to one of the least desirable places possible, weather-wise, then the Milwaukee Bucks could be in play. I expect the Bucks to move Eric Bledsoe and Jabari Parker, because Giannis Antetokounmpo does not enjoy playing alongside those two. But Pop probably doesn’t want guys like that on his team either.

Personalmente non vedo la necessità nel nostro Team di un giocatore come Leonard è un ruolo in cui siamo estremamente coperti e che non credo rappresenterebbe di per se un upgrade.

Discorso molto diverso per LeBron al quale penserei più seriamente.

Ad ogni modo abbiamo la fortuna di non averne tutto sto bisogno perché a ranghi completi possiamo fare molto male a chiunque quindi, oggi come non mai, Danny potrebbe sedersi sulla riva del fiume e contare i cadaveri dei nemici che passano...

Che Danny sia disposto a follie assolutamente no, siamo coperti e abbiamo un giovane dalle grandi aspettative in quel ruolo.
Tuttavia ridurre Leonard alle sole statistiche secondo me è un po' ingeneroso. Prima dell'infortunio secondo me era tra i top 5 della lega e insieme a James l'unico giocatore al top sia in attacco sia in difesa.
Mi piacerebbe vedere chiaramente in che condizioni rientra e che giocatore diventa al di fuori del sistema Spurs.

Però secondo me per un giocatore così ci sarà la fila.

Penso a Milwuaukee che potrebbe offrire Bledsoe/Middleton+Brogdon e andare a creare un tandem Leonard-Antetokoumpo che è devastante in entrambi i lati del campo.
Penso a Philadelphia che ha tanti giovani e a cui un giocatore di esperienza e sangue freddo come Leonard può tornare comodo... ricordo che prima della porcata di Pachulia questo giocatore da solo se la stava battagliando alla grande con i Warriors.
Ci sarebbe Toronto, altra squadra con potenziale ma senza zebedei...

Oh se offrono un pacchetto del genere allora credo che tutta la lega alzi le mani perchè Middleton è un giocatore super, Brogdon proprio niente male....bledsoe...va beh bledsoe se lo devono ciucciare come com'è....

Tutto sommato sono d'accordo però credo che se Ainge trova una buona trade per Irving, in considerazione dei problemi fisici e del rebus rinnovo, giocherà su questo tavolo (e credo di non potergli dar torto)

Wanamaker in Europa ha fatto molto bene, certo è un po' piccoletto, ma è bello frizzante

Potrebbe sembrare una operazione Larkin 2.0 anche se non credo che Wanamaker si possa portare a casa al minimo salariale come fu per Larkin.

Però il nome è intrigante.

Ma il barcellona li ha offerto quanto un mimimo salriale nba, in ogni caso penso sia solo un sondaggio

Magari non è il topic migliore, ma oggi è stato presentato il nuovo centro allenamento. Una perla!