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Unselfish ha scritto:
Per me non ha senso dare 3 anni dilazionati al quasi 33enne Horford
Per me non ha senso dare via gente come Brown e Tatum per l'affitto di un anno di Davis (giocatore che comunque spesso si rompe)
Per me non ha senso fidarsi di Irving.
Per me non ha senso firmare Rozier a cifre alte (dai 7 milioni in su)

Il mio pensiero in breve:
- Facciamo crescere responsabilizzandoli Brown e Tatum
- Valutiamo Hayward quest'anno con una squadra che torna a seguire a pieno i dettami di Stevens
- Rispolveriamo giocatori caduti nel dimenticatoio (Ojeleye)
- Peschiamo al draft
- Centelliniamo i posti mancanti del roster con le occasioni dell'ultimo minuto e contratti annuali

Ovvero un semplice anno di transizione per ripulirci dalla schifezza di quest'anno, provare a ritrovare almeno la strada giusta e consolidare lo scheletro della squadra.
Squadra più corta di quest'anno, gerarchie ben definite e torniamo a giocare a basket.


è un bagno di sangue però cosi.perdi irving, perdi rozier, perdi morris, lo scenario coi giovani è lo scenario più conservativo, solo i posteri potranno dirci la loro su tatum e brown.e se ne varrebbe la pena.vorrebbe peraltro dire probabile trade di horford(siamo in luxury e non ci resteremo se non in caso di all in)

altri rookie?ma anche no, francamente, men che meno rookie di quel livello che se non fai la magata devi aspettarli due tre anni.....

bisogna trovare l'incastro, speriamo di trovare qualche sponda.....

P.S.horford chiaramente verrebbe spalmato solo in caso di ALL in su davis.


16/05/2019, 21:37
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Gioia CELTICS ha scritto:
JohnBagley ha scritto:
Ammazza ragazzi miei ci stiamo esaltando per una voce su Ricky Rubio? ??
Ho ancora davanti agli occhi la sua "buffa" difesa su Harden https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EbqNf4CgV7o :fear: .
Scusate amici, ma dopo la cantonata/delusione presa quest'anno, sono abbastanza disilluso sui nostri.
Aspetto solo notizie ufficiali, spero buone.

Non per Rubio in sé, quanto per il tipo di basket "normale" che rappresenta, ed ancor di più per la strada che ci "stiamo convincendo" sia giusto prendere.
Per altro, a me non è mai piaciuto più di tanto, ma le due partite contro Utah e come ha giocato, me le ricordo.....




Guarda..
Rubio e Thomas..
E via irving morris rozier..
E rimangono tutti gli altri..

Beh,ci divertiremo..

Quest'anno dovevamo vincere
E non abbiamo vinto.
E non ci siamo divertiti..

E poi se esplodono tatum e brown..e hayward torna quello di prima..

Beh allora siamo più favoriti che all'inizio di quest'anno..


16/05/2019, 21:51
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ve lo ricordate che so bradley da rookie?rozier da rookie?e cito i migliori usciti, non i young o yabusel.......sicuri sicuri di voler vedere acerbi rookie tirare mattonate in serie?io me lo risparmierei, poi magari ci scappa la steal della vita......è questo il bello della nba, tutto e il contrario di tutto.

se sculavamo noi al posto dei lakers, una quarta scelta, davis era già di verde vestito.o chi per lui.

dubito fortemente che ainge molli il pallino, per me andrà alla ricerca del colpo gobbo, anche a costo di sacrifici importanti(uno tra tatum e brown)

che non vuol dire che poi ci riesca....


16/05/2019, 21:57
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ah mi sono dimenticato una cosa, io capisco che rozier vi stiasul c***o e forse con quelle dichiarazioni s'è giocato il posto in squadra anche in assenza di irving, ma rozier a 7 milioni sarebbe una furto con scasso epocale, ma magari.....dubito che scenda sotto i 10-12 milioni ecco...cifra che potremmo pure pareggiare(se irving se ne va e se i rapporti non fossero definitvamnte compromessi)


16/05/2019, 22:03
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Gioia CELTICS ha scritto:
lelejuve ha scritto:
Rubio - Wanamaker - pick 51

Brown - Smart - pick 22

Tatum - pick 14 - pick 20

Hayward - Bol - Ojeleye

Horford-Baynes-Williams


Forse facciamo i PO.

Sentivo proprio la mancanza di uno che mi tirasse su il morale... :cry:
Ti spiace se ti chiamo Arnold?

Capisco sia difficile, dopo che manco Ronaldo vi è servito allo scopo, ma dai... devi farti forza ed andare avanti. Coraggio, la vita continua :D


ahahahahah Gioia the best...volevo scrivere io che danny quest anno ci prende cr7 e vinciamo tutto :irish_drink:

fine :offoffoff:


16/05/2019, 22:13
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Gioia CELTICS ha scritto:
Non per Rubio in sé, quanto per il tipo di basket "normale" che rappresenta, ed ancor di più per la strada che ci "stiamo convincendo" sia giusto prendere


Bravo fratello di clava, illumina questi miscredenti. :benedetto: :benedetto:


16/05/2019, 22:21
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... tra Rozier e Rubio tengo Rozier tutta la vita e anche la morte...

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16/05/2019, 22:43
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Potential Boston Celtics Trade Packages for Anthony Davis
How the Celtics could get Anthony Davis?

By Celtics Journal - May 16, 2019

Now that the 2019 NBA Draft Lottery has concluded, here are some potential trade packages the Boston Celtics could offer for Anthony Davis.
The first year of the new flattened-lottery odds certainly produced a stunner when the New Orleans Pelicans won the NBA Draft Lottery for the first time since 2012, the year they picked Anthony Davis. They will almost certainly use the top pick to select Zion Williamson, which had the potential to derail any trade discussions involving Davis.

Fortunately for the Celtics and any other team hoping to secure his services this summer, Davis has not changed his mind and still wants to be traded, according to Shams Charania. If this is the case, then the Pelicans will look to build around their new franchise centerpiece in Williamson with the assets they receive in a Davis trade.

MORE: Pelicans GM opens up on relationship with Danny Ainge
That’s great news for the Celtics, who still have the most to tangibly offer in a trade even though the Lakers got lucky with the fourth overall pick. According to Brian Windhorst, the Pelicans remain uninterested in trading Davis to the Lakers. Again, great news for the C’s, who should be considered the frontrunners to land Davis if they decide to pursue him.

Whether Boston decides to pursue Davis has a lot to do with Kyrie Irving, but instead of diving more into that, let’s break down a couple of trade packages the Celtics could offer for the superstar big man.

FIRST THING’S FIRST: In any trade for Davis, because the Celtics have exceeded the salary cap, they have to send out as much salary as they take in, with one exception. The maximum amount they can acquire in a trade is 125 percent, + $100,000 of what they send out. Davis will make $27,093,019 next season, which means, the minimum salary the Celtics must send out in a trade is $21,674,415.

Trade No. 1
Pelicans receive: Gordon Hayward, Jaylen Brown, Terry Rozier (sign & trade), No. 20 pick, 2020 Grizzlies first round pick
Celtics receive: Anthony Davis, E’Twuan Moore
The Celtics are giving up a lot here, but they’d keep Jayson Tatum to form an incredible core of Irving-Tatum-Davis that would hopefully stick together for a few titles. Rozier would have to be a sign and trade, so he’d have to agree to a contract with New Orleans ahead of time, but the Celtics are only permitted to use the value of his qualifying offer ($4.2 million) in a trade.

Trading Hayward isn’t a great look for the Celtics, but this is the kind of move you have to make if you want to win championships in the NBA. Hayward is a terrific player, but he doesn’t hold a candle to Davis. AD is top-five in the world. A starting five of Irving-Smart-Tatum-Horford-Davis would be a sight to behold. The bench would be torn to bits but that’s the type of core veterans ring chase with.

MORE: Should the C’s bother bringing back Rozier if Kyrie leaves?
Trade No. 2
Pelicans receive: Marcus Smart, Jaylen Brown, Terry Rozier (S&T), No. 14 pick, No. 20 pick, 2020 Grizzlies first round pick
Celtics receive: Anthony Davis
Giving up Smart hurts the Celtics fan in me, but like I said before with Hayward, sometimes you have to make these kinds of moves to win. Danny Ainge traded a fan favorite in Isaiah Thomas for a better player in Kyrie.

An additional first round pick is added in here to supplement the upside of Smart vs the upside of Hayward. Everything else is the same as the first trade, which is kind of the theme with trades involving teams over the salary cap. There are only a few ways they can go.

Trade No. 3
Pelicans receive: Marcus Smart, Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, No. 14 pick
Celtics receive: Anthony Davis
If I had to guess which package the Pelicans would want, this would be it. Three very good young players that fit around Zion well, two of which are still on rookie contracts and the other who signed a four-year deal a year ago.

The Celtics are probably going to try to leverage the fact that even their second or third best offers are better than anyone other team’s best package, so I’d be surprised if they gave up all three of Smart-Tatum-Brown. My guess is their goal is to hold on to at least one of them if not two.


16/05/2019, 22:48
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16/05/2019, 22:59
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Piero ha scritto:
... tra Rozier e Rubio tengo Rozier tutta la vita e anche la morte...



Beh però quest'anno Rubio ha fatto più punti..un terzo Più di rozier..
Più assist..il doppio di rozier..
Tira meglio dal campo
E tira meglio i liberi..
Meno bene da tre..

A fronte di soli 5 minuti in più di utilizzo..

Poi vabbe..se si parla di gusti,io prenderei subito come secondo o terzo play teodosic tagliato dai clippers.
E quindi ognuno la vede a modo suo..
Però le cifre di Rubio quest'anno sono più appetibili di quelle di rozier..

E poi Rubio esaltrerebbe il gioco di Stevens...


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Scusate sono lento ma non ho capito una cosa.

In più di un'occasione ho letto che potrebbe esserci la possibilità di avere in squadra Kyrie, Davis e KD.
Kyrie rifirma.
Trade per AD.
KD tramite la sua S&T.

Dato per scontato che per AD comunque dovremmo dare il famoso pacchettone di picks più giocatori, non ho capito bene chi dovrebbe andare a GSW per KD.

Lo aveva chiesto anche alle1988, dopodiché Massimo aveva incollato un foglio di excel, ma non riesco a leggerlo nemmeno ingrandendo.


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Super Teaming: Kyrie and KD in Boston?

The last few days have been a whirlwind for the NBA. The last few months have been a tornado. The last few years have been a hurricane. A combinations of forces, both intended and unintended, have conspired to create a new era where teams, players, and agents are all vying for the power to shape an ever-shifting slate of super teams.

Danny Ainge and the Celtics were in the vanguard of this movement with the double swoop for Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett in 2007. The few months preceding those transactions gave a peek at how the league would operate over the next decade plus.

All of the Timberwolves, Celtics, Lakers, Suns, and Garnett himself were using the media in a high stakes game of trade brinksmanship.

In the intervening years we've seen similar stories dominate the league. The Heatles in Miami. LeReturn to Cleveland. The KD Warriors. All were player-directed team builds meant to one-up the last monster squad that formed.

In the last two years we've seen shorter, richer, and more flexible contracts allow LeBron (again), Chris Paul, Kyrie Irving, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, and Jimmy Butler (twice) to maneuver their way into a situation of somewhere between their choosing and their acceptance.

Until recently, the Celtics were perceived to be back at the forefront of this movement towards team/player partnership super teams. The expectation was that Boston had been gaming out an Irving-Anthony Davis team-up for a while and were well positioned to make that happen this summer.

Over the last week two major shifts have altered that perception. First, Davis made his move earlier and with more purpose than had been expected. It has been assumed that Boston's hope was that Davis would force the Pelicans' hand this summer by declining an extension, not mid-season by demanding a trade. Furthermore his agency, Klutch Sports (who are owned by LeBron's best friend and business partner but we're all supposed to believe LeBron has no stake in), have been leveraging their media connections to try to scare off other trade suitors or, at least, to convince the Pelicans that they've scare everyone else off.

Simultaneously, the Knicks cleared their salary decks as part of moving Kristaps Porzingis and suddenly the rumors that Durant and Irving had plans to team up in New York seemed a lot more realistic.

A way to look at this would be that Boston's seemingly big plan of pairing Irving and Davis no longer seemed ambitious enough. LeBron and Davis in Los Angeles with a big chunk of cap space is a higher wattage spotlight. Durant, Irving, and Zion Williamson (or maybe even Davis) in New York is every columnist's dream.

Maybe that's right, but not in the way the current conventional wisdom says.

If we're in the era of true super teams, why do we assume that Boston would stop at "only" Irving and Davis? If Durant and Irving have a long-standing desire to play together, why would they settle for doing it with a skeleton crew of teammates in New York?

League sources have told me that KD has expressed interest in joining the Celtics.

(I think I sufficiently buried the lede.)

If you take a step back, that shouldn't be a shock. It's generally believed that the Celtics were Durant's second choice in 2016 and more than a few observers feel that had the Warriors won the '16 title Durant would be a Celtic now. The Celtics would obviously be amenable to this too; Durant has long been the apple of Ainge's eye.

If KD and Kyrie really do want to team up, why would they shackle themselves to James Dolan when an alternative exists? While Boston can't create the cap space to sign Durant, and can't reasonably acquire him via sign-and-trade (receiving a player via S&T invokes a hard salary cap that they would be hard-pressed to get under), there is another way.

Chris Paul moved to Houston via trade by opting in to the last year of his contract, but only once he had brokered an agreement between the Rockets and Clippers. If Durant and Irving wanted to pair up in the best available situation, Durant could follow the same path via his $31.5M final year option. He would be taking a significant pay cut for next season but he's already shown a willingness to do that over his years with the Warriors.

Golden State would be loathe to participate, but if the other option that KD presented was staying in the West and teaming up with LeBron in Los Angeles they would have little choice.

To make this happen Boston would likely have to trade either Al Horford or Gordon Hayward. Horford would have to opt-in but maybe he would agree if it meant landing in Golden State. He could not move there via sign-and-trade, but were he to opt out and choose to go to a different team that were themselves under the S&T hard cap, Boston could try to turn that into a multi-team S&T where they acquire KD.

A simpler construction would be to trade Hayward who, even if he doesn't get "back" this year would be a risk that the Warriors would have to take, knowing they would not have the financial flexibility to add a better Durant replacement. You can't squander seasons when you have Steph Curry.

There's no reason that the fun would have to stop there, particularly if Davis is still a Pelican beyond the trade deadline. LeBron, Bosh, and Paul all switched teams via orchestrated trades where their old team received relatively little. The Cavs received two late 1sts and two 2nds for the LeBron S&T. For Chris Paul, the Clippers received seven players headlined by Patrick Beverley and Lou Williams plus a 1st round pick. The point being that Boston would not have to give up much beyond Horford or Hayward (in particular if Hayward starts showing signs of recovering from his injury).

The team would still have almost all of the parts believed to headline an Anthony Davis offer. They could still pair Jayson Tatum or Jaylen Brown with Marcus Smart and a bevy of quality draft picks to get Davis. KD-Kyrie-AD would be a super team anywhere, but having them on a squad that starts with something like Jaylen or Jayson, a now re-signed Marcus Morris, and Aron Baynes would take it to another level. You may even still have one of Horford, Hayward, or Smart, depending on other choices from both players and team.

Some will look at this as a pipe dream. The ravings of desperate fan. Is it really any more outlandish than Durant and Kyrie jumping to the Knicks or New Orleans giving in and trading Anthony Davis for Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma?

The most predictive theory of Danny AInge is that he's always thinking bigger than you expect. When everyone was reporting that KG was going to LA, he was finessing a super team being the scenes. When he made the trade for Isaiah Thomas it wasn't just to get Thomas, it was a move to start positioning for a double-max pitch to Kevin Durant. When that failed he didn't move on to Kyrie Irving, but Irving and (we think) Davis.

What if we were still underestimating his ambitions? What if the reason that the Lakers and Klutch are acting desperate is that they have a bad hand and so are desperate? What if the reason that the noise out of New York is not of a master plan but of frustration with Porzingis is because they don't have a master plan and were just frustrated with Porzingis?

Maybe the Lakers' bluff works, or they get called but hit an out card before the season ends. Maybe the Knicks do win the lottery and then go get Durant and Irving, or a dark horse emerges to take the super team mantle. The Celtics aren't out of this game though, and often have higher aims than we realize.


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il primo fu bernardoni.
stiamo parlando di un'opzione con un grado di difficoltà altissimo e con una percentuale di riuscita irrisoria.


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