Sapete tutti credo, cosa penso di Lonzo.
Da quando l'ho visto giocare la 1ª volta,...... ok, facciamo la seconda, vado dicendo che è una puzza!
Ciò detto e RIBADITO, ....per un attimo ho pensato a quanto potrei godere nel vederlo diventare il nuovo jason Kidd da noi (a quello doveva essere destinato no?).
Pesate a quanti gialli si "butterebbero dalla finestra" .
Varrebbe la pena provarci solo per quello

Io sono l'altro che aveva accennato a Lonzo Ball, ma era un pour parler completamente slegato da discorsi di mercato che però avevo aperto in seguito al tuo stesso ragionamento...ovvero che mi renderebbe curioso di vedere cosa farebbe Ball, un giocatore che si impegna in difesa e con buona capacità da passatore condita con un tiro inguardabile, in una squadra come la nostra.

Qua la mano infiltrato

Ma fidati, sotto sotto sono sicuro che anche Daniele sarebbe curioso di vedere Ball in verde

How could the Celtics summer go: The “Welcome to Boston, AD” option

Danny Ainge has long-wanted Anthony Davis. He has his chance this summer.
By Keith P Smith May 20, 2019, 10:00am

The 2018-19 season ended in disappointment for the Boston Celtics. After much ballyhoo and hype to start the year, Boston floundered and got bounced in five games by the Milwaukee Bucks in the second round. But basketball never stops. Moments after tears fall at the end of one season, you dry your eyes and look forward to the next one.

This series of articles is intended to give a picture, or pictures, of the different ways the Celtics offseason could play out. They are:

· Run it back option

· See ya, Kyrie option

· Welcome to Boston, AD option

· Nuclear Summer

· Dreaming Big

Each comes with its own pitfalls and pinnacles. None are really right, just as none are really wrong. If you’ve followed my writing, you know that my primary goal is to be realistic in the approach to roster building. I don’t do things that are only possible if you fire up NBA2K and turn off the salary cap. Harsh is it might be at times, we are bound to the real world. And in the NBA, that means there is a salary cap and collective bargaining agreement and you can’t force another team to take on a slightly used Guerschon Yabusele in exchange for Anthony Davis and the draft rights to Zion Williams. Well, at least not just Yabu by himself!

Before we get too far in, let’s set the stage so we all know what Boston is working with this summer.

Guaranteed Contracts (6):

· - $6.5 million

· - $32.7 million

· - $12.5 million

· - $7.8 million

· - $1.9 million

· Guerschon Yabusele - $3.1 million

Partial/Non-Guaranteed Contracts (1):

· - $1.6 million – Fully non-guaranteed, fully guaranteed 7/1/19

2019 NBA Draft Picks (3):

· Pick # 14 - $3.5 million

· Pick # 20 - $2.6 million

· Pick # 22 - $2.4 million

Potential Free Agents (10):

· - $6.7 million cap hold – UFA – Player Option

· P.J. Dozier - $1.4 million cap hold – RFA – Two-Way

· Jonathan Gibson - $1.9 million cap hold – RFA

· - $38.2 million cap hold – UFA – Player Option

· R.J. Hunter - $1.4 million cap hold – RFA – Two-Way

· - $30.1 million cap hold – UFA – Player Option

· - $10.2 million cap hold – UFA

· - $9.2 million cap hold – RFA

· - $1.8 million cap hold – RFA

· - $1.6 million cap hold - RFA

With all that setup done, it’s time to go down a path that Celtics fans have drooling over for years: The Welcome to Boston, AD option.

There are two ways this could go for the Celtics. The first is that agrees to stay and Danny Ainge goes all in to add Anthony Davis. The second is that Irving leaves, and Ainge sticks with his long-planned for pursuit of Davis and trades for the big man anyway. First, we’ll break down the options with Irving in the fold.

Here are some assumptions:

· This all goes down prior to the 2019 NBA Draft. Now, that means the trade can’t be formally executed until the league year changes over, due to the rule that Boston can’t have both Irving and Davis on the roster at the same time while under their current contracts.

But that’s ok. Regularly, deals are agreed to at the draft and executed when the league year changes over a week or so later. That’s how this scenario works for the Celtics.

· Here’s where things get tricky, so hang in there! Let’s assume Boston knows Irving is re-signing contingent upon the team completing a trade for Davis.

· Ainge and old friend David Griffin agree on the parameters of a Davis trade, so that Boston is using their 2019 draft selections for the Pelicans.

· Then we hit free agency and make the following assumptions: Jonathan Gibson is gone (again!) and is gone, because he’s not coming back if Irving is the starting point guard.

Alright, so here is what the Celtics have to accomplish:

· Re-sign Irving

· Keep Horford

· Trade for Davis

· Somehow keep a competitive roster around those three

Let’s do some math!

First, Irving agrees to sign a full five-year max deal, with a player option for Year 5. This can be executed the minute the moratorium is over, because Boston is functioning as an over-the-cap team in this scenario and there is no cap space reason to wait. For posterity’s sake, that contract would look like this:

· 2019-20 - $32.7 million

· 2020-21 - $35.3 million

· 2021-22 - $37.9 million

· 2022-23 - $40.5 million

· 2023-24 - $43.2 million (player option)

· Total – 5 years/$189.7 million

Next is ’s player option. In this scenario, because Horford is nothing but a consummate professional and team player, he opts out of his $30.1 million deal for 2019-20 in favor of longer contract, at a lower annual salary. Given his advanced age, something along the lines of a three-year, $55 million contract that declines each season makes the most sense:

· 2019-20 - $20.0 million

· 2020-21 - $18.4 million

· 2021-22 - $16.8 million (player option)

With Horford doing this, it gives the Celtics a lot of wiggle room around the luxury tax.

Now, Boston has to trade for Anthony Davis. Here’s where it gets really tricky. To trade for Davis in the 2019-20 league year (which the Celtics have to do given the trade rules), they have to match salary for $27.1 million. Under the NBA’s trade rules, it doesn’t have to be an exact match, but within a range. This means Boston has to send out around $21.6 million in salary to match on Davis.

So, how do the Celtics get to $21.6 million in matching salary? There are a handful of ways, but let’s eliminate a few to make it easier to see what we’re really working with:

· The Pelicans aren’t taking back ’s salary. They’re looking for a quick rebuild with flexibility and cap space. Maybe (maaaaaaaaaaybe) if Boston agreed to eat Solomon Hill’s contract in return the Pelicans would take on Hayward, but that’s getting a little far afield.

· has no reason to entertain a sign and trade to the Pelicans. They already have Jrue Holiday, who is a capable point guard. And they’re likely adding younger wings in this package from Boston. So, take Rozier off the table.

· Draft picks have no value in salary matching until the player signs. So, if you want to pile together the picks to make up the ground, you have to sign the players first and then wait 30 days (like the Cleveland Cavaliers did when they traded Andrew Wiggins for Kevin Love). Could happen, but that gets messier than it needs to be.

· Irving, Horford, and (opts in in this scenario) are all off the table too. Irving and Horford for obvious reasons. Baynes because he’s not opting in just to be traded.

· But let’s assume all the draft picks are on the table in trade talks. All three this years, #GrizPick and whatever else. It’s AD!

Got all that? Great! Now let’s do some real math. Remember: $21.6 million is the golden number here!

Let’s start with piling together all the kids:

· - $7.8 million

· - $6.5 million

· Guerschon Yabusele - $3.1 million

· - $1.9 million

· - $1.6 million

That is a total of $21 million and change, which falls just short. But it’s close enough to make it workable. The Celtics could send either or in a sign-and-trade. How this would work is either player signs a three-year contract, but only the first year is guaranteed. This is how the Brooklyn Nets made the math work in the Paul Pierce/Kevin Garnett trade, when they sent Keith Bogans as part of a sign-and-trade to Boston.

The other option is to go the “sign a draft pick” route, which has the 30 day restriction, but isn’t the end of the world. It just means the player would likely sit out Summer League, which makes things messy.

The important part is that this works. It guts the Celtics roster, but this path allows them to keep . Boston enters the season with a roster that looks like this:

· Starters: Irving, Smart, Hayward, Horford, Davis

· Reserves: Baynes, (assumes he re-signs), veteran roster fillers

That’s not bad, right? Good mix of offense, defense and shooting. Ring chasers would immediately sign up to grab a shot a contending and the added bonus of playing time. And, like he has with Theis, Wanamaker and Shane Larkin, it’s a guarantee that Ainge has his eye on bringing some player in from overseas to fill a rotation spot on a minimum deal.

OK, so that’s one way. Now, let’s say the Celtics tell New Orleans, “You can have Tatum or Brown, but not both. We’ll still send filler, and all the draft picks you want.” Now, that makes the math tougher, but still doable. It just means saying goodbye to Smart, which would really hurt! But, to cover our bases, let’s break it down:

· Smart - $12.6 million

· Tatum - $7.8 million

· Yabusele - $3.1 million (or Williams, if the Pels want a higher upside player)

That’s a total of $23.5 million, which is more than enough to match salary for Davis. This leaves the Celtics with:

· Starters: Irving, Brown, Hayward, Horford, Davis

· Reserves: Baynes, Morris (still assumes he re-signs), Ojeleye, Williams, Theis, Wanamaker, veteran roster fillers

So, where does this leave us? It’s probably costing the Celtics a lot, if not all, of their stash of picks. It’s likely to cost Tatum, Brown or both. And it could end up costing Smart as well. No matter what, it’s a high price to pay, but if you’re returning a roster built around Irving, Hayward, Horford and Davis, it’s worth it.

There is a world where the Celtics could trade for Davis, even if they lose Irving. In that case, the salary matching above remains largely the same. And it’s probably fair to think you plug Rozier back in, since Irving would be gone. In that scenario, since it’s far more of unknown if Davis will stick around as a free agent in 2020, Ainge would insist on holding back Tatum or Brown in talks. You simply can’t give up both of them. That means Smart has to go for sure. That means the roster looks a lot like what we laid out, just with Rozier in place of Irving.

Quindi... chi preferireste tenere? A qualcuno , purtroppo, bisogna rinunciare...

Boh ragazzi io non riesco a spiegarmi come ci si possa anche solo lontanamente aspettare che Kyrie prenda in considerazione di rifirmare...secondo me ha deciso da mò e questi playoff non possono certo avergli fatto cambiare idea...
Ma anche ci fosse l'1% di possibilità, siamo sicuri che Ainge a questo punto sia disposto a maxarlo per 5 anni? Io non ci giurerei.
No perchè a trovarsi in una situazione come quella Wall/Wizards ci si mette poco eh

ma vogliamo parlare di game of thrones?visto che abbiamo sfiorato l'argomento nel recente passato.

daniele a che puntata sei arrivato?

c'è da dire che questa ultima serie di GOT ha più haters di kyrie irving tra i tifosi dei celtics.

edit. chiedo venia, non avevo visto il thread dello zio, continuiamo là.

e dove va?

a Ny avrà meno pressioni e una squadra all'altezza?con la 3 son saltati i piani.

ai lakers a fare il secondo di james dopo tutto quello che non ha detto?pressioni ancor più di boston, LA come NY,fiugura da cioccolataio a tornare da lebron con la coda tra le gambe.

e rimangono nets(in risalita) e clippers....sicuro che li possa preferire a noi?

molto immagino possa dipendere anche dagli amici(soprattutto durant e da cosa vorrà fare)
io lo sapete che in durant ci spero, ma probabile sia solo il mio desiderio, però.....

ci sarà da divertirsi.preparate i pop corn.con noi coinvolti o senza di noi, sarà un'estate torrida.e per me noi saremo operativi al massimo.

stavo seguendo la saga di celticsblog, aspetto le due prossime puntate, in una immagino ci sia l'accoppiata davis durant.

devo dire che non mi piacciono molto le loro opzioni per la trade davis.

Oh sì, ti ricordi bene. Il Lonzo del college mi piaceva molto, aveva della caratteristiche che in NBA credevo sarebbero state uniche. Il paragone con Kidd l'ho fatto più volte e lo riconfermo, per me potrebbe davvero essere qualcosa di simile a patto che si sgonfiasse tutto il clamore intorno a lui e che, come Kidd, lavorasse come un pazzo in offseason. Certo poi è emerso una altro aspetto preoccupante legato alla sua salute fisica, sembra molto fragile, alla sua giovane età non è mai un bel segnale.

Se fosse finito in un'altra squadra e non avesse avuto questi primi anni in NBA in quel contesto, purtroppo è involuto anziché migliorare, non avrei nessuno problema a vederlo in verde. Però il vecchio adagio "dimmi in che squadra finisci e ti dirò che giocatore diventerai", per lui vale doppio ed è evidente che in lui ha fatto solo danni. Tecnica, testa, ambiente, è tutto sbagliato per questo ragazzo, più facile che si perda a questo punto.

In sintesi, lo avrei visto in verde molto volentieri è vero, certo ora che abbiamo Tatum non più, ma sono stato un suo estimatore e non l'ho mai nascosto. In verde lo avrei visto fare una parabola simile al primo Rondo, ma ora no, tutto quello che è successo per lui ne ha minato lo sviluppo... forse irreparabilmente?

Bella domanda..

Subito di botta direi Hayward, Smart, Tatum e Baynes.
Per qualche altro nome, ci dovrei pensare un po'..

Mah, secondo me non irreparabilmente, magari servirà qualche anno per trovare un proprio equilibrio, lavorando sodo (anche sul fisico), gestendo al meglio il problema in famiglia (LaVar) e dedicando meno tempo alla propria visibilità e agli affari oltre il basket (la sua linea sportiva BBB)..
Sarà molto difficile, ma amo il basket e spero per lui che possa recuperare il lume ormai perduto.. ovviamente non ai Fakers!

Anche a me piacciono poco.. Diciamo che arrivare a quei 21mln di salari che servono io mai al mondo metterei brown + tatum , anche mettere smart + 1 dei due sopracitati mi infastidisce.
E se proprio dovessi svenarmi per qualcuno, quel qualcuno non risponde al nome di davis.

Io non darei gran peso a sta cosa delle pressioni, cioè Indiana o Phoenix mica le prende in considerazione eh...
Sì comunque dipende dagli altri top FA...anche perchè la sua reputazione ora ha preso una bella botta, e l'unica che lo firmerebbe a prescindere secondo me è NY (Irving ai Lakers non ci credo proprio)
Secondo me non è che ai Knicks con la 3 siano saltati completamente i piani per Davis, dipende cosa ne pensa Griffin di Barrett (o Morant)...soprattutto se Ainge si tira fuori o gioca una lowball hanno comunque qualcosa da mettere sul piatto, probabilmente più di Lakers o Clippers, magari in una trade a 3
Comunque occhio ai Nets, sia per Davis che Durant