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Boston Celtics ‘force feeding’ caused issues, which is an indictment of his teammates | John Karalis


By John Karalis | JKaralis@masslive.com

The more we learn about the 2018-19 Boston Celtics, the more we find out just how immature many of the players in the locker room were.

Some refused to accept their roles. Some refused to accept the team’s direction. And some were upset by how was handled.

and the Celtics were in a bind with Hayward coming into the season. He was not only trying to come back from his horrific leg injury, a second surgery last May cost him an entire summer of full five-on-five basketball.

Training camp and the early regular season had to serve as a sort of rehab on the fly for Hayward. The Celtics knew they’d need Hayward as close to 100 percent as possible to have a chance in the playoffs, and the only way to get him there was to play him.

I’m not revealing some secret here. He had to play basketball to get back into shape and to regain confidence in his body and himself. This was the only way. NBA teams don’t run full five-on-five in practices much anymore, if they practice at all.

Hayward needed games.

Yet despite the very obvious need for this, some of his teammates still had a problem with it.

“You hate to pick on because he was coming back from injury and he was doing the best he could, but I really think that’s where it started,” ESPN’s Jackie MacMullan said on NBC Sports Boston’s “Early Edition”. “They were force feeding him on his teammates, Brad (Stevens) knew Gordon well, he wanted to get his confidence back ... he gave the benefit of the doubt over and over to a player that wasn’t ready, to a guy who had history with him, and it rankled that locker room, it bothered that locker room.”

It takes a special kind of immaturity to look at a teammate who is struggling to return from a catastrophic injury and be mad that he’s trying to come back.

Of course he wasn’t ready. Everyone knew he wasn’t ready. He hadn’t played actual basketball since snapping his leg.

You can argue that he should have gone to the Maine Red Claws, but their season didn’t start until after Boston had gone through camp and already played eight games. Every game Hayward didn’t play would just prolong the process.

Starting Hayward at the beginning of the season, in retrospect, was probably a mistake. Stevens, as MacMullan said, may have gone a step too far in trying to get Hayward’s confidence back, but that plan was also abandoned 16 games into the season.

That should have been the end of the issue, but resentment towards Hayward was still evident after the season, when hit ESPN to tear the Celtics to shreds.

“I was obviously in the shadow of some guys,’’ he said. “I feel like... a lot of... the ball was either in Kyrie or ’s hand most of the time, so either is in the corner or I’m on the bench.”

Maybe Rozier was where those chemistry issues began and ended, but that it’s still being brought up as an issue today is maybe the clearest sign yet that last year’s team was not ready for prime time.

There were too many players on this team focused on doing things their own way and incapable of handling basketball life when that didn’t happen. The inability to look at a situation, process it, and work through anger or resentment in order to do a job was this team’s defining characteristic.

I understand that money, fame, and personal brands are on the line. I get that players have to treat this game like a business because that’s how teams treat it.

What these players don’t understand is that life, like basketball, is about adjustments.

Mike Budenholzer didn’t like how the Celtics were manhandling their drop pick-and-roll coverage, so he adjusted, changed his approach, and it worked.

Instead of letting Hayward’s recovery get to them, players needed to adjust to the roles they were given and perform those to the best of their ability. They needed to understand that, had they done that, eventually the right roles would have gone to the right guys. Eventually, the team would have realized some of its goals.

Eventually, everyone on this team would have been seen as a winner, and everyone loves winners.

Everyone could have gotten what they wanted if they could have just shown a little bit of maturity. Anger at Hayward’s situation was misguided, especially because it worked. By the time February and March rolled around, his true shooting was about 63 percent, a 15 point improvement from October.

He never got back to full-Utah Hayward but he got himself to a point where he could contribute.

The lingering resentment towards this is a damning indictment of last year’s locker room and the shortsighted nature of proved costly to the team and the bank accounts of those who squandered chances to play better basketball. It’s also an indictment on the players who let it get to them.

Last year’s team had a chance to be special, but they blew it. Someday, some of those guys will look back on it with regret, because they’ll know they missed out on a great opportunity. They were just too immature at the time to know it.

detto questo se haward sta sul culo a jaylen jayson smart e giovinastri vari, qualcosa toccherà fare, in un senso o nell'altro.

L'anno prossimo sarà la cartina tornasole sui restanti.
Spesso i giovani si fanno influenzare dai compagni più esperti... basta vedere come Kyrie ha completamente copiato l'idea malsana di Leader di LeBron.

Se l'anno prossimo si torna a lavorare come due anni fa bene, altrimenti il giochino Boston Celtics va ulteriormente ricalibrato.

A metà stagione se non prima ci chiedevamo cosa cavolo fosse successo...Mamma mia che vergogna ragazzi..Veramente incredibile..ne sono successe di tutti i colori..da Al non me l'aspettavo prorpio..ma sai che c'è? Non è per nulla detto che sia negativa la sua dipartita. Pensare che tanti problemi sono nati per i minuti di Gordon che doveva recuperare, è davvero di un'amarezza incredibile. Si sono dimenticati in fretta il dolore che ha provato l'anno prima. Tutti grandi uomini qui.. La cosa incredbile è che se è il solo brown ad andare incontro a hayward allora davvero come dice Massimo sorge l'ennesimo problema..scambieranno anche lui...

Ma chi ha seguito bene Hayward...ma può essere che solo per la storia dei minuti in campo si sia messo tutti contro? O anche per il carattere...A me sembra uno mite e non ricordo situazioni sgradevoli ai Jazz..o era successo qualcosa? no perchè sarebbe interessante avere un quadro preciso.. Intanto grazie allo Zio per averci dato un quadro più chiaro sulla stagione.

Qua si rischia un rivoluzione pesante...via hordofrd irving morris forse hayward...un'estate pazzesca per Danny. E se ci fosse lo scambio Beal-Hayward? tanto Washington dopo l'infortunio di Wall ha le mani legate..

appunto.non si prendono hayward, che guadagna pure di più, per beal.


forse conley lo porti a casa per hayward e scelte.

beal vorranno monetizzarlo in bel altro modo(come giocatori e stipendi)

che mazzata per ainge, il suo progetto è evaporato, il secondo infarto, il mio amico nicola mi suggeriva l'idea che posssa essere all'ultimo giro di giostra.....

Mah..vale davvero la pena dare Hayward e scelte per Conley? a ottobre fa comuque 32 e non che diventiamo contender. A sto punto ricominciamo coi giovani e coi draft, sapendo che prima di 2/3 anni non abbiamo chissà che chance..

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's injury initiated a perfect storm that dismantled Celtics Title hopes



Blame who you want for the Celtics slide last season, but it all goes back to October 17, 2017 when went down with a severe ankle injury. Very little has gone right since then.



Gordon missed the rest of the 2017-18 season while recovering from the injury. In the following 2018-19 campaign, we saw glimpses of his former self, but generally he never looked like he was fully recovered, either physically or mentally. And even though played Gordon only 25.9 minutes per game, his lowest figure since his rookie year in Utah, the perception (or reality - if you wish) by the Celtics youngsters was that Brad was "force feeding" Hayward minutes he didn't deserve (per NBC Sports' Michael Deprisco):

Everyone has their take on what really gave the Celtics the most problems during the 2018-19 season, and Jackie MacMullan shared her thoughts on Arbella Early Edition Tuesday night. She cited 'force feeding' to help him come back from his gruesome ankle injury as what started the Celtics' chemistry issues that seemingly plagued the team all year long.

"You hate to pick on because he was coming back from injury and he was doing the best he could, but I really think that’s where it started," she said. "They were force feeding him on his teammates, Brad [Stevens] knew Gordon well, he wanted to get his confidence back.

"I would contend that would have done that for any player on that roster that had a catastrophic injury, he would want to fill him with that same confidence, but that’s not what happened," MacMullan continued. "He gave the benefit of the doubt over and over to a player that wasn’t ready, to a guy who had history with him, and it rankled that locker room, and it bothered that locker room."

I can certainly envision what MacMullan has laid out for us. The -Jayson Tatum-Terry Rozier trio did a hell of a job in the 2018 post-season, and now they were wondering why this new guy (Hayward) was taking some of their minutes. Sorry, guys - not Gordon's fault. Stevens may have put too much strain on Hayward early on, but I doubt Gordon was demanding those 26 minutes of floor time.


How well did Hayward do in those somewhat-limited minutes? An average of 11.5 PPG, 4.5 RPG, 3.4 APG, 52% FG, 36% treys, 83% FT. What happens if we project those minutes to 36 MPG? Average of 15.9 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 4.7 APG, 1.2 SPG. Here is more from NBC Sports' Michael Deprisco:

It doesn't matter who you are, taking a back seat to someone you think you've shown you're at least at the same level as is difficult to do. And as MacMullan explains, it can lead to conclusions about the motives of someone like Stevens who's calling the shots.

"I think [the other players] drew conclusions that probably weren’t even fair or accurate, but it doesn’t matter," she said. "If you feel that way, then it’s real."

Unless Danny Ainge decides to trade Hayward, he is coming back this coming season prepared to show what he can do. The Jay Team survived the trade season thus far, and, for better or worse, Terry may even return. As of this writing, it looks like it will be life without and . So be it! The draft happens tomorrow, and Danny always has potential trades in his head. We just need the discord on the team to stop. Hayward's gruesome injury has hovered over this team for too long. Time to turn things around.

cari compagni del forum, se non siete abbastanza tristi per le liete novelle che ci accompagnano, e visto che in molti siete amanti delle serie tv, a partire da daniele, per risollevarvi l'umore vi consiglio una serie tv, il cui titolo peraltro lega col momento celtico.

Caro Massimo, arrivi tardi. Sono un famelico spettatore della serie, fino ad ora meravigliosa.

Ecco hai ragione, la serie è più allegra di come stiamo noi tifosi oggi.

Sintomatico il sottotitolo/domanda della locandina, proprio perfetta per il nostro momento.

CMQ se fosse vero il comportamento di Horford, se fossero vere le sue uscire e le sue spallucce quando lo spogliatoio esplodeva...la cosa che mi stupisce di più è il tentativo di Ainge di trattenerlo.
Io lo ritenevo un uomo spogliatoio, un leader tecnico e morale, questa stagione mi ha dato un'altra realtà. Da un giocatore d'esperienza come lui mi aspettavo ben altro comportamento.

Se fosse vero Ainge avrebbe dovuto accompagnarlo alla porta altro che trattenerlo per altri 3 o 4 anni quando si trascinerà con le stampelle per il campo.... (perché questo farà già da questa stagione...).
pensiamo piuttosto a come usare lo spazio salariale che si libera.

Ainge è furbo ed avrebbe...

A. ...potuto fingere un'estensione, solo per farlo uscire dal contratto, e poi salutarlo;

B. ...dichiarato qualcosa in pubblico ma usando ben altri toni in privato, solo per salvare le apparenze.

Non mi stupisco più di nulla ormai.

bella forte.hbo garanzia.devo finire la seconda puntata, ma mi sa che mi sparo tutte le rimanenti puntate a brevissimo.sottotitolate.

mi dispiace per molti tifosi celtics, che sia andata così, unica consolazione secondo me il sistema nba ti permette di risalire in sella piuttosto velocemente, e noi comunque partiamo da una buona base, certo NESSUNO si sarebbe mai immaginato uno scenario del genere ad inizio scorso anno, sfido chiunque a dire iil contrario.

e che adesso toccherà sorbire le inevitabili polemiche che ne deriveranno, con forum incandescenti, accuse generiche e sommarie, e gente che rinfaccia le cose, indi diciamo che siamo alla tristezza nella tristezza.

ma si .. stasera guardiamoci chernobyl. full immersion.