Turner è un ottimo giocatore ma secondo me una contender non fa movimenti di mercato se non per avere miglioramenti veramente importanti (o per sopperire a infortuni) e Evan non è un giocatore che ti cambia in maniera importante.
Migliorare una squadra che è terza in Nba e non si è ancora espressa al 100% non è affatto facile, è più facile fare danni con movimenti sbagliati.

Bertans non è un fenomeno ma ce lo vedo giocare x Stevens, oltretutto potrebbe fare anche dei minuti da 5.

Con chi sarebbe la trade?

ecco quando leggete o leggerete in futuro rumors vari sui celtics, questo articolo del sempre ottimo karalis(le fonti sono importanti) vi servirà da promemoria.


Boston Celtics trades: The assets, players, and targets in play, and why it’s tough to make a deal
Posted Jan 07, 2020

By John Karalis | JKaralis@masslive.com

The Boston Celtics are good. Everyone can agree on that. They’re second in the East. They’re one of only three NBA teams with single-digit losses. As of right now, they have the seventh-best offensive rating and second-best defensive rating in the NBA.

They’re good.

But…

The inevitable follow-up question is almost always some variation of “but how good are they really?”

The implication is that this regular season success might not translate in the playoffs. Boston’s two losses against the Philadelphia 76ers are presented as exhibit A in this case.


“They need a trade,” many people say. “They need a center!”

OK. That’s fine. Looking at Boston’s roster, the center spot is the one that is in most need of an upgrade. Behind that, some kind of help off the bench is often brought up as the next biggest need.

This isn’t a video game, though. There aren’t drills you can do or coins you can earn or whatever it is in these games nowadays that eventually allow you to increase the ability meters of certain players. There are rules involved with making trades.

There are also other teams involved. Boston can’t just “go get” Davis Bertans from Washington, for example. They not only need to match salaries, they need to match salaries with players and assets that Washington actually wants.

So let’s go through it all. Let’s lay all of Boston’s cards on the table and see exactly who and what they have that could possibly get traded. We can look at who is known to be available, some wildcards that fit into the price range, and then see what, if anything, is realistic.


THE ASSETS

Draft picks: Boston owns all of their own draft picks except their upcoming second round pick in the 2020 draft. That is owed to Charlotte, and is protected for selections 31-53. If it falls in that range, Boston keeps it and owes Charlotte nothing.

So Boston can trade away its own first rounders and offer pick-swaps.

Boston also owns:

2020 first round pick from Memphis (protected 1-6 in 2020 and unprotected in 2021)

2020 first round pick from Milwaukee (protected 1-7 in 2020 and unprotected in 2021)

Boston could also get a second round pick from Atlanta and New York or Brooklyn. It’s too complicated and it’s not a big deal.

Here’s what you need to know in a nutshell: Boston can trade its own firsts, and they have Memphis and Milwaukee firsts to play with as well. They might have a couple of extra second round picks as well.

THE PLAYERS

We’ll go through the whole list and their salaries

, $32,742,000

, $32,700,690

, $12,553,571

, $7,830,000


, $6,534,829

, $5,000,000

, $4,767,000

, $3,458,400

, $2,505,793

, $2,379,840

, $1,937,520

, $1,618,520

, $1,445,697

, $1,228,026

, $898,310

We can agree that is not getting traded, right? Right. also can’t be traded because of his extension. Basically, the extension triggers a rule where his a team trading for him uses his average salary, including the extension, for matching purposes while Boston only gets to use this year’s salary. It’s complicated. He’s out of this discussion.

Can we also agree that is not getting traded? He was dangled for a chance at Anthony Davis last year, and Danny Ainge didn’t go through with it because Davis’ camp said he’d leave.

Is Giannis available for a trade? No? Then forget it.

I can hear some of you say Karl Anthony Towns, but he’s not going to be available yet. He’s in the first year of a five-year extension. He’s not going anywhere. So we can pretty comfortably say since there’s no superstar available, there’s no chance Tatum goes anywhere.


So that’s Walker, Brown, and Tatum as untouchables. For the record, Smart and Hayward are also about as untouchable as it gets for Danny Ainge as well, but let’s just pretend he’s open to something to help the team. Is there a deal that can be found that would change Ainge’s mind?

From here, there are two trade paths: The big deal, and the little deal.

I’m setting the incoming salary line between these at $16.6 million. It’s a little arbitrary, but the reasoning is that $16.6 million is what the combined salaries of , , and can bring in.

My thinking is teams aren’t going to do anything more than a 3-for-1 deal. Obviously there are a lot possible trade structures out there, but we need to draw a line somewhere and since we’re talking about bringing in one player, this is where I’m drawing it. Those three are the next-biggest deals after that can combine to match salary without giving up or . It includes at least one promising young player, and it can be sweetened with draft picks. It’s not great, but it’s what the Celtics have.


So that’s the line. Any player you’re thinking of that makes more than $16.6 million probably requires trading away or . Any player that makes less might be able to get done with some combination of other players and picks. At that point it’s really just a matter of who or what teams want and Ainge would be willing to let go.

OK! We’ve got our picks. We know who’s untouchable. We know the basic necessities for some of the trades that might be out there.

LET’S GO SHOPPING! We’ll start with guys rumored to be on the market

Andre Drummond, Detroit Pistons: $27,093,019

I want no part of this trade, but let’s explore it anyway.

Boston CANNOT just trade Hayward for Drummond because Detroit is hard-capped for this season. Boston is also hard-capped AND they have all 15 roster spots filled so now Detroit would need to send a second salary and Boston would have to send a second player back.

It can work by sending and taking back Thon Maker.

Would Detroit do this? Hard to say. They might if they could get a commitment from Hayward. I don’t know that Hayward would commit there long-term, though.


Would Boston do this? Almost no chance. Hayward is more valuable to Boston than Drummond is. Drummond is big, he rebounds, he can run pick-and-roll. He pushes Theis to the bench and can boost the second unit. Maybe can figure out how to use Thon Maker, but is that really enough to make this palatable?

The whole point of getting a big is to feel good about facing Joel Embiid, and Embiid destroys Drummond. By trading for him, Boston would essentially be committing to signing Drummond to an extension, and they’re not going to pay him big money. They’d also be losing an essential playmaker in Hayward, meaning they’d be relying very heavily on come playoff time. He’s solid, but I’d rather have Hayward.

Verdict: HARD PASS

Kevin Love, Cleveland Cavaliers: $28,942,830

The biggest issue with Love is that he’s under contract for three more years after this one. Boston probably doesn’t want that kind of burden, at least not for a player as limited as he is defensively.


Cleveland would want young talent back. Is Langford enough to entice them? ?

Hayward would have to be involved in this because it’s too difficult to use Smart and young player salaries to match. Boston could send Hayward & Langford to make the salaries work, but even that seems like too high a haul for the disgruntled Love.

Would Cleveland do this? Maybe, if they valued Langford. Boston could toss a couple of second-rounders their way. A player with some promise and a couple of picks for Love at this point seems like a best-case scenario for Cleveland.

Would Boston do this? Probably not. Again, is this going to fix the Embiid issue? Love can provide some scoring, but he’d also be taking shots away from Walker, Tatum, and Brown without adding the playmaking and defensive versatility of Hayward.

Verdict: HARD PASS (though maybe not quite as hard as Drummond)

Davis Bertans, Washington Wizards: $7,000,000

Ahhhh now we’ve got someone that’s within range. And what would it take to get a 27-year-old, 6’10” guy who is shooting 43.4 percent from 3?


A lot.

There’s a good chance Washington will want a first round pick for him, and with a lot of interest in his services, there’s a chance they could get it. They’d probably want a decent young player in return as well. One of or would probably have to be included for salary-matching purposes, and then maybe or for the young player Washington would want. Washington would certainly ask for the Memphis pick, which Boston shouldn’t give. Boston would probably rather give up the Milwaukee pick or their own.

Would Washington do this? I think only if (a) they were definitely not re-signing Bertans, and (b) if it was the Memphis pick. They can probably get similar offers with better picks than Boston’s or MIlwaukee’s for Bertains.

Would Boston do this? Eh… probably not. They’d LOVE to have Bertans as an option off the bench, but is he really worth a pick and, say, ?

Remember, Bertans, for all his offensive ability, is a slight man. He’s only 225 pounds, which isn’t much for a 6’10” guy. Who does he guard?


If all it took was a pick and some salary filler, then yes, Boston might do it. If they could send Poirier and Ojeleye plus a first rounder, then that’s a no-brainer. It works financially, and it would certainly help Boston’s bench. Plugging Bertans into Ojeleye’s minutes would be a huge boost to the bench offense.

But is that enough for Washington? I don’t think so. Not with the season he’s having. There might be a bit of a bidding war.

Verdict: DEPENDS! This might be a case of Boston not having the exact right pieces Washington wants.

ONE NAME TO CONSIDER

The Sacramento Kings are potential sellers. I’d be asking what it would take to get Nemanja Bjelica ($6,825,000). He’s 6’10” and has shot better than 40 percent from 3 over the last three seasons. Would Sacramento take Milwaukee’s first round pick along with Ojeleye and Poirier? How much more would Boston be willing to offer if it’s not enough?

Different names will come up over the course of the next month. When they do, remember the basic formula laid out here. Anything less than about $16.6 million might be able to get done without Smart and Hayward, but you have to be sure the other team would do that deal. As of right now, I don’t think those deals exist.


If you are targeting a big-contract guy, are you sure Boston would be willing to let Smart or Hayward go in that deal? Are you sure the other team wants Hayward or Smart, or are they looking for young players and picks?

If you use those guidelines, you’ll see that a lot of the chatter out there makes little sense for Boston, and most players the Celtics would want are difficult to get. Aside from perhaps a small deal to maybe boost the bench, the Celtics might just be who they are.

Analisi molto lucida e puntuale, grazie Paglia per avercela postata.

Io credo che, salvo funghi atomici da qualche parte, ma non mi pare di vederne, anche il "Love Affair" di Cleveland pare rientrato, non ci saranno movimenti significativi da parte di Ainge.

Tutt'al più potrebbe valutare di inserire un veterano che porti qualcosina dalla panca se i giovani non dovessero essere ritenuti affidabili, giusto per darsi una possibilità in più nei PO.

Insomma io oggi mi aspetto al massimo una presa da buyout.

Si Ma Lo PrEndiAmO CoUsiNs aL MiNImO sALaRiALE ??!!??!!11!!??

Paglia ci hai messo a studiare, ma poi subiremo un'interrogazione in merito?

Drummond non arriverà a Boston.
Su Turner è un buon giocatore per chi vuole aggiungere qualcosa di positivo al roster dal punto di vista realizzativo e di talento - ovviamente nei limiti delle sue potenzialità - , nel nostro caso premesso che ci siamo lasciati bene e che abbia lasciato un buon ricordo in tutti noi e che uno come lui i farebbe piacere penso che in questo momento con il roster attuale non so che senso avrebbe.
Piuttosto Turner dovrebbe essere grato a DA per averlo portato a Boston e a Stevens per come lo ho valorizzato visto che grazie a loro ha monetizzato un contratto da favola.

Ma chi quello isritto nelle liste dell'ufficio di collocamento!?

Anch'io ho scritto qualcosa del genere, ma le sconfitte contro Phila possono essere interpretate più come una questione di match-up sfavorevoli (segnatamente, Embiid, cui peraltro si accenna nel resto dell'articolo), che non di reale inferiorità rispetto alle contender più accreditate. Comunque, io propendo più per la seconda opzione, sebbene per motivazioni in parte differenti da quelle qui esposte, anche se mi rendo conto che non era il focus del pezzo.Qua invece concordo in pieno: è quanto dicevo in merito alla difficoltà di muovere pedine, nel caso avessimo intenzione di farlo. L'anno prossimo, con un GH in scadenza, lo scenario potrebbe rivelarsi abbastanza diverso, ma la situazione contrattuale di Hayward è ancora aperta alle più disparate possibilità.

Rumors insistenti parlano di un interesse per il Gallo da parte di Ainge (suo vecchio pallino).

A me sembra molto strano. Oltretutto dovremmo mettere sul piatto o Gordon o Smart per provare a pareggiare gli stipendi. Smart mai e poi mai. Gordon non lo vogliono loro perché li manderebbe in luxury.
Lo vorrei volentieri casomai il prossimo anno con un contratto al minimo per veterani volesse provare a vincere un titolo con noi.

gallo e adams in combo ai celtics.

hayward, romeo, poirier, semi prima temo memphis ai thunder.

e poi si firma waiters subito e poi un tagliato....

ci state?

kemba
smart
brown
tatum
adams

gallo sesto uomo.

dalla panca wanamaker e waters a dare qualche minuto a kemba, e theis e kanter nel reparto lunghi, per la gioia del coach.rimasugli di minutaggio per javonte green e granito.

il delirio delle sei del mattino.

sarebbe una bella squadra (alle sei del mattino ...)

aspetta che legga daniele, perderebbe romeo e gordon in un colpo.